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GoddamnedVoodooMagic OP wrote

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But I suppose Baedan or something of the sort of the sort, more focused and lengthy and in-depth, would serve as a useful guide in that regard. The manifesto touches on several things, in a short amount of pages, and isn't trying to be academic or incredibly in-depth. For what it is, a small booklet that combines/intertwines many subjects I'm very passionate about and brings them all together, instead of viewing them as isolated, as well as reworking or expounding upon already established things to plumb their depths for me, it does a fantastic job, and is probably one of the best things I've read in recent memory.

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ArmyOfOne wrote (edited )

So I like a lot of the stuff in this manifesto type of thing, but the only way we can have an anarchist "order" that follows the natural "order" is through some sort of anomie. Which by design negates all imperatives and hierarchy of values (i.e. anarcho-nihilism, to its fullest).

Like for instance, going to live nomadic style in the woods with maybe a few friends, but avoiding recreating the same old patterns you got from society... like being intentionally oblivious of anything you've learned in the social relationship, and starting on new grounds. Without property, without time, or the need for money.

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GoddamnedVoodooMagic OP wrote

Ah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense. So, basically, living from an entirely blank slate?

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ArmyOfOne wrote (edited )

an entirely blank slate

As intentional pretense, as conscious ideal, or social experiment, or a kind of mutual challenge set as preset for exploring other ways of living.

The biggest challenge would be to make it into something that can last, and be reproduced. Which is also part of the timelessness. So that people taking part eventually are tempted not to go back to civilization after a while, instead of the opposite.

Maybe not everything can be abolished at the onset, or deserves to. It could be up to a collective's decision and feels (like veganism or not... gardening or not... etc). But there would be basics, like no plastic/toxic trash, only composting; timelessness; using sign languages, etc.

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GoddamnedVoodooMagic OP wrote

I suppose an intentional forgetting of the civilized condition would be the best way to live how the Natural Order Movement suggests, or at least, something similar.

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