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kore wrote

Reply to comment by marigold in Meritocracy is authoritarianism by ziq

it's worth of course comparing the fact that "kratos" is "rule" in the sense of "power" but "arche" is a "rule" in the more general sense of "principle" or even "beginning".

The distinction itself between "order" and "chaos" is a principle, thus by claiming "chaos" in opposition to order as the "only" anarchic thing I think one misses the point. Of course, trying to describe it in language at all misses the point. Nonetheless if by "chaos" it is meant that ineffable source whence and whither all things then I heartily agree and indeed by seeking this is the only way I have been able to find peace recently.

Matthew 6:33 "Seek ye first the kingdom of God"

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roanoke9 wrote

If order and chaos approached with language is missing the point, then a quote referencing god does that as least as much. It approaches the point where my response to anything anyone every says tends more and more towards - I heartily agree/diasagree with this, we understand/misunderstand each other, I wish you well/ill in your life/unlife. What do?

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kore wrote

Daoism describes it particularly well I think, "The way that can be told is not the eternal name, the name that can be named is not the eternal name"

Essentially the argument that you will never be able to identify the source of your existence because you come from it, it's all you are. And so it quickly becomes nothing, the only thing, and everything all at once.

When I hear "seek ye first the kingdom of God", I am understanding the "kingdom of God" as the same as the eternal name, as (to use philosophical term) the universal will.

that quote "Seek ye first" comes in the context of people asking "how will we eat, how will we get food" etc. the end of Mt. 6:33 says "and all these things will be added unto you." It's suggesting that you try to understand that we're all one, and let this guide your life.

What do?

"Seek ye first"... jk.

Honestly all the Gospels' talk of loving your enemy, non-violent resistance (i just thought: Jesus willingly got crucified for telling people to love and help each other, talk about resistance) and helping the needy and sick has been very helpful for me. For example, even though cars stress me out and I'm prone to stewing about urbanism I still try to actively hope that everyone gets where they're going safely. And if someone on the street asks me for money, I give it to them if I have some.

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roanoke9 wrote (edited )

Alternatively, I have lines that cannot be crossed and just as I would have someone unalive me were I to cross it, I would unalive them for crossing it. I cannot accept pacifism. I will not put some abstract moral precept over lives of people. Even were hell to exist I would go there to defend certain lives in this world, not with martyrdom but with whatever means I choose. I oppose hierarchy. Violence is not my enemy. I fully realize this makes me an actual demon in the eyes of some. What. Ever. So. Be. It.

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roanoke9 wrote

Btw, I passed through the "all one" epiphany. In case you thought I just didn't get it. I totally did and then I chose to reject it.

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roanoke9 wrote

I guess pacifist rhetoric is triggering for me.

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kore wrote

I think in instinct (e.g. your "lines being crossed" as well as survival) there is no violence, and I am just trying to reflect on how my preconceptions might be clouding my instinct.

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kore wrote

nice yeah I figured you had, to me it gets more interesting every time I go through it though.

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kore wrote

perhaps of course you already know all this and your distinction between order and chaos was a way of pointing out what I said without saying it, as all wise people of history ;)

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