Wait whoaaat? My brain is currently not able to analyse this whole thing.

yeah truly a bizarre turn of events.

Did an online reading group with them but they didnt do voice just typed.

Guess this is why.

bruh

IF this is thing about her not existing is indeed true, then this is really stupid, their ideas are really cool from what've seen so far, so the author shouldn't try to hide it behind a fake character.

I mean they probably wanted a way to lend legitimacy to their ideas around age of consent.

Which I havent personally read but I know are controversial.

I didn't read the thing either, I just skimmed through it so far. From what I've read I agree on the facts and stuff that was written but disagree on the form which got pretty... edgy.

The stuff I agree with is that children should have power. They should be informed about sexuality (but also basically everything else too), and should be considered as actual person rather than just "purity and innocence" because that really doesn't do them good and make them actually very vulnerable.

However the sketchy thing I find is in the phrasing, doing rambling about etymology of the word paedophilia is just either incredibly risky or very edgy.

I didn't know it was bullshit until the obviously fake death announcement yesterday. But I figured they were really the person in the photos but were faking their death to leave the persona behind after the controversy. Didn't figure it was just someone stealing photos from a sex worker. Can someone who has the Twitter images do a reverse image search to confirm?

I had the same feeling about the death announcement being a digital suicide to avoid dealing with the whole "age of consent" propaganda, but I was psyoped so hard with this..

This can be a reality check for all raddle users (or any other internet dwellin anarchists for that matter 😉 mastodon users). Get your shit done irl, cyberspace is only a tool that is not under our complete control

I want to learn how to do the inverse: make people believe I don't exist. Most effective security measure I can imagine.

Honestly, I don't know why this is now taken to be true? Is this right now the fakery? The depths of internet subterfuge are mind boggling. I don't have the interest or time to check this article's points directly. I remain skeptical.

But I don't have much invested as I never had interractions and only read part of an essay once. Another point is if one were to blanket create active suspicion of anyone who does not do voice or video interractions, that will not be good for many neurodivergent people as well as those with very legit reasons to not put their face and voice out there for analysis. Psyop to create conditions for strong social pressures to abandon opsec anyone?

This doesn't really blow my mind though, as I always have a sliver of doubt about any online interractions. Norman Mailer, in Harlot's Ghost has a great speech about the tension between cynicism and paranoia in the world of espionage and how settling into either one or the other extreme is a recipe for disaster. This article definitely brings that to mind.

I don't know much about the whole controversy but from the few things i've read their point is more about youth liberation and age of consent. Maybe i'm wrong.

One of the things they got in fire under was for defending the relationship between alexander berkman (in his 30s) with becky edelsohn (a 15 yr old)

This is intriguing, but not foolproof as far as evidence goes. Think I'll reserve my judgement until whoever it may be in the pictures comes forward. Remember, there were quite a lot of unique pictures of her, and they all appeared to be of the same person, including the nudes. If they were all really pulled from some unrelated sex worker you'd think they would eventually catch on.

Ouch I see. I don't know if "rapist dogwhistle" is a term that exists, but this kind of things sounds like it.

I want to learn how to do the inverse: make people believe I don't exist. Most effective security measure I can imagine.

Probably slowly incorperate small facts which are slightly wrong, like saying you turned 27 today even though 2 years you wrote that you have birthday tomorrow so you can't be 27 today.

two different people say the same thing how they lived life. It made click for me here: https://kolektiva.social/@hakan_geijer/109672010737594297

How did you know it was obviously fake??

I was nice about it in the post yesterday because I didn't want to blow their cover, knowing first hand how much work it takes to create interesting personas to push anarchist ideas with. But I don't use social media, so I didn't see whatever allegedly pedo thing they said that bled onto raddle the other day or I probably wouldn't have played along. Even then, I almost just replied "lol" because of the whole dying a hero thing. That was just cringe. You don't have the persona die rescuing a damsel in distress ffs, you have them self destruct in a fiery blaze of arrogant rage to remind everyone watching to always kill every idol. Made me lose all respect for them.

It may actually occur naturally. I once typed an off the cuff response on social media and the person was I guess unaccustomed to full paragraphs and immediately accused me of being a bot. The ongoing paranoia about people being bots works in my favor too, for that scenario.

The name "Anarqxista Goldman" always bothered me. Like, do you really have to perma-ride on the Goldman hype while disarming my CTRL+F library techniques? Just to be up in some imaginary A- listings? With "Nothing to Stick to" you even cracked the 1000 pages mark, claiming another top 10 ranking. I can't imagine it needed to be that long for any other reason. Twenty OC self-submissions in ~ a year, all "Internet Archive" as source.

Now I can admit, yesterday in that thread I had "Death of an author." typed out before deleting it. Woulda been ice-cold and in bad taste if my suspicions turned out wrong.

NoooooOooooooooo! We have already begun printing the Anarqxista Goldman Anthology to sell at our bookfairs and online.

We will have to delete any mention of this on our blog's comments because these youth sexuality essays are very important and paper ain't cheap!

The literary coincidences aren't quite clicking for me, maybe I'm just too lazy to crawl through and cross-reference all that shit. But the Twitter getting deleted at the same time as the archives is making some button noises in my brain...

The timing was really coincidental... there was some controversy less than a week prior.

The only thing that would make sales go up more than a deceased author would be an author with a really mysterious identity who might have been real, might have been fake, might be alive, might be dead. Sooooooo, if one were to approach this mystery with the question of who stands to benefit? Where does that leave you?

1. The timing. Just got expelled from some site for pedoing hours before.

2. Women don't generally promote men fucking little girls. Screams of a middle aged man roleplaying.

3. Dying saving an abused woman in a weird attempt to restore their now tainted image so the 20 essays they wrote in the last year aren't permanently written off.

4. Pretending there was a whole commune of anarchist nudists living together but somehow we only ever hear from one of them and no anarchist has met any of them and we only hear from another member when the famous one dies heroically.

5. The other member having access to their private twitter account. Who doesn't password protect their devices in 2023?

Somehow all the archived stuff they uploaded has been pulled down "by the author" posthumously.....

6. That upload of a prepared, edited "obituary and her last writings" edition, with cover image and everything. Within ~ 24 hours.

Lol rly? What a try hard

Yup. I just deleted the T@L upload, the Internet Archive upload got pulled by the uploader https://archive.org/details/Anarqxista_Obituary

(edit: The library upload can be brought back, I just don't wanna help stage some spectacle, if that's what it is.)

So let's say Anarqxista was real, and did die, and their Twitter has remained in control of their housemates in the "Nude House" since then. With that obituary zine, the housemates took the time to respond to the criticism towards Anarqxista's views on age of consent and youth sexuality, showing that they are paying attention to the online discourse on and off Twitter.

And now, Håsan's thread is published. And within an hour, Anarqxista's Twitter, along with the obituary zine and almost all of the referenced literature in the thread just disappears off the internet and archives. Would the housemates not take the time to respond to Håkan's allegations too? Or at least wait it out before nuking Anarqxista's profile until after the funeral or something?

Come to think of it, I thought the timing and circumstances of the reported death was at least a teeny bit sussy too. A beloved and hated anarchist internet figure dies a violent and heroic death within a week of significant controversy and platform-hopping. I realize now that my comment to the initial death announcement, "Well that's fucking sudden", subconsciously expressed this uneasy thought as well as my shock of reading it.

So all I can say to that is, well, clickity-clack and tappity-tap, I think I may be convinced now.

But the mystery of who's in the pictures is something I still want to see resolved. I mean there's gotta be some overlap of people who follow anarchist Twitter personalities and subcultural OnlyFans profiles, and anarchist Twitter personalities who also happen to have OnlyFans profiles. You'd think that someone would recognize this person and alert this unknown sex worker that their nudes are being stolen and presented as someone else, right? How much photoshopping could this Dr Existenz guy really do to make it look both convincing and consistent?

I should announce that I was behind the twitter account and wrote all their essays so they come out of hiding to take credit.

A twist worthy of M. Night Shyamalan

LMAO.

Bring it back for a few minutes so you can archive it I guess. Seems like the thing to do now that they're working to wipe it from existence after they got found out.

Can't believe they thought everyone would buy that their housemates would:

1. Get onto a dead person's computer to find, compile, edit and distribute a posthumous but somehow finished essay collection hours after they're stabbed to death.

2. Also know to use archive.org to get material onto t@l, following the exact same pattern as the dead person.

https://web.archive.org/web/20230111125614/https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/the-occupants-of-the-nude-house-and-anarqxista-goldman-anarqxista-goldman

If their stuff does stay published on the library, I'd propose changing their name. It's annoying how they're using goldman's name to get attention and clicks while writers who don't lift a familiar and dopamine-generating name struggle to get any traction.

Pretending there was a whole commune of anarchist nudists living together but somehow we only ever hear from one of them and no anarchist has met any of them and we only hear from another member when the famous one dies heroically.

About this that doesn't seem so absurd to me. It could just be a group of friends living together, it wouldn't be weird nobody knows about it.

Other than that, yes the rest is sus af.

Lolllllllllllllllllll fuckin truuuuuuuuuuuuueeeeeeeeeeeee
womp womp

i wasnt really interested in their essays (more to do with my feelings... but in my defense it did seem like they used way more words than they could have), but yeah its hard to say how i feel about this, it's fucked up, impressive, fucking ridiculous,

its still fucking messing with me i should probably fucking do something else. im sorry to the people who were attached to this person

holy fucking twist am i right

damn I think you just invented a real term

I can relate to this message ahah

i second this strategy

The obits are things only anarqxista would say about anatqxista. Not obits really at all, but a poor attempt to create a legacy / sainthood.

Like would they explain the origin story of her pen name and list the countries she's lived in? Just bad writing.

At least was an attempt to differentiate the writing styles of each alt, but only barely.

...woah

It was unfortunate, then, that there were some people online who simply misunderstood her and misdescribed her. This was particularly the case with regard to her views about youth sexuality, views she simply thought (giant wall of text explaining a supposed dead person's inner dialogue follows)

Lol

Fuck off.

you

excuse you!

Eh it wasn't that impressive unless you mean the ability to type a shit ton of words in a short time.

Doesn't come close to watching all the tankies and anarcho-transhumanists on the site unite out of shared spite for a mouthy anticiv.

If there were a bunch of anarchists living in a naked commune for years, there would be more than a single person on the internet talking about it.

This isn't your personal platform to use to shit on another anarchist project. Fuck off now.

Because the other ppl in the commune all sit around watching her drama on a private mastodon instance and never miss a beat

It was unfortunate, then, that there were some people online who simply misunderstood her and misdescribed her. This was particularly the case with regard to her views about youth sexuality, views she simply thought consistent both with an anarchy that believes in neither law nor government — so how can there be ages of consent? — and with the ethos of Emma Goldman and E. Armand who wrote about young people fettered and coerced by the adult world in order to make them clones of themselves. Anarqxista, who would never let a point go she truly believed in, used the historical anarchist examples of Becky Edelsohn and America Josefina Scarfo as part of an argument intended to show that anarchists have their own values and their own ways of relating to each other based on their own understandings: they don’t simply do what the government tells them! This was never less than consensual in her thinking and about the free association of all people, even teenagers. This was mistaken by a few dogmatic and misguided people as a pro-pedophilia argument but, as she always tried to make plain, it wasn’t. What it was was an argument about youth liberation, an argument about freedom to choose for the teenager who had been appropriately educated about sex from an early age. Anarqxista always objected to any sort of abuse or non-consensuality in sexual relationships so it would be bizarre to imagine that, when it came to young people, she simply forgot about it. In fact, she didn’t. She was, in her eyes, just being consistent. The freedom to choose, she thought, was everybody’s freedom to choose if they were in a position to be able to do so. So she granted people that freedom on the understanding they were such people as had been educated about sexuality in ways consistent with anarchism. Like Becky and America, in fact.

Like, really putting a LOT of focus on a particular days-old argument the stabbed lady had on an obscure site. "Our friend was stabbed to death being a hero and here are 2000 words explaining why they're not a pedo"

Perhaps just one pre-eminent abiding memory we will retain of her is then the day she came back to The Nude House in the scorching summer of 2022 with a man whom she had found on the beach who wanted to kill himself. She immediately extended hospitality to him, brought him home to us and personally took care of him for the next several days until his immediate crisis was over. That was Anarqxista, a person of love and action. NOT A PEDO YOU FUCKING INGRATES.

I thought that in this case it was less than a year. "A few months" they said in their thing.

It said she was at the commune for 10 months after they recruited her online i.e. she joined the commune after it was established.

Oh OK i'm dumb.

Amazing plot twist, but a part of me was yelling at my other part to remain cautious about AG's "death", as everything about it was vague, plus there were no third-party sources on the events.

Anyways, I found that this could be his actual Twitter page:

https://twitter.com/eXistenZ_80

A typical Alt-Right clown who's befriending other well-known Far Right Twitter figures like stillgray/Ian Miles Cheong. Page says he's from Queensland, Australia, but who knows?

U r not dumb :( why do u keep saying that :(

Their general ideas weren't really that outside the general anarchist stuff you could find elsewhere, though their more unique ideas regarding children and sexual relationships were...disgusting.

Which one?

Wow...

All I can say is...this is a pretty unexpected turn of events. Did not expect to see all this when I woke up at 10 am this morning.

So I can't agree with all your arguments coz I'm sure you're mostly damage-controlling for yourself, here.

But you got a good argument here, and I didn't know they had a damn obituary appearing hours before the death.

Uh? Why would I need to damage control? I don't know them. I've never had any interaction with them beyond looking at their twitter account one time.

From my experience the idea of seeing anarchy as being about relationships and stuff is pretty unpopular (hello hello Bookchin, "lifestylism" and other bullshit) and it's an idea I really like. But still probably more popular on Raddle than elsewhere.

I just feel very naive with all of this and it really annoys me. But thanks for your message, it cheers me up a little :)

Did his work include arguments / observations that claimed to come from the experiences of being a woman? (this is assuming that he presented as a man out in the world)

No I'm solely talking about the "relationship anarchist" vision of anarchy. I'm not talking about anything linked to the Anarqxista or anybody in particular.

right, i was just curious since you said you read anarqxista's work

also is it really that unpopular outside of raddle -- anarchy being about relationships? that's silly. I need to change that. 2023 goals.

No I planned on reading it and I only skimmed through it.

I guess I will cancel that plan lol.

Well, people put a difference between 'comrade' and friends, and usually there is often a weird hero worship of dead old white men. Especially among many people in french speaking circles i've encountered that claimed to be anarchists. There's quite a shit ton of people insulting other anarchists of "lifestylist" for not being efficient and productive enough for anarchism.

This is all far too common from what I've seen.

Also in general when you attack social norms people can get very mean and aggressive.

And that goes for about any social norm (amatonormativity, psychiatrist normativity, productivity, universal morality, etc)

right, people want to be able to carry interesting anarchistic theories in their head so they have something thrilling to talk about at the next dinner party but they don't want to have to change anything about their lives...

Yes, or sometimes they do action but in kind of "martyrdom" manner and blame (and sometimes also bully) their fellow "comrades" (that they certainly won't call friends) for not being "useful" enough.

I mean to be fair, I know what it feels like to be frustrated with someone when you experience them dismantling all the oppressive / toxic structural elements of their lives and then stopping there -- without building up a new free, healthy, radical, alternative way of living. I mean... I think in some ways I do this too... the rebuilding is daunting. Still, if you get stuck at the dismantling phase, it can get pretty stagnant... which I think can translate to "not being efficient and productive enough for anarchism," among the more judgmental types.

grosss

haha i'm still curious tbh

The problem is more that those people because they are seen as "anarchist heros", get to decide what is good and radical and what isn't for everyone else.

when you experience them dismantling all the oppressive / toxic structural elements of their lives and then stopping there

Could you tell me more about this? I don't really understand how you can deconstruct norms and structures without rebuilding at the same time tbh.

People do away with whatever they perceive as toxic / oppressive / capitalistic in nature about their lives, but don't replace it with an alternative -- their M.O., or identity becomes completely antithetic. There is no growth, only the illusion of growth through a constant stream of rejecting things.

Oh OK. Can you give an example of that?

What I meant by deconstructing norms and stuff is all for being able to communicate more clearly and improve relationships (for instance, when you let go of the norms about how a romantic relationship should look like, then you are able to communicate more clearly to people you love and thus have much better and healthier relationships).

Hmmm ok for example, in terms of relationships, people will do away with the assumption that monogamy is the default in a healthy romantic situation and that it's the only way of showing true love and loyalty to someone.. etc... we all know the drill lol... but instead of building up a healthy working alternative -- open relationships take a lot of damn work -- they just say "we're not monogamous" and wipe their hands like ok we're done here, this relationship is officially free of all oppression!! ... Am I making sense?

for instance, when you let go of the norms about how a romantic relationship should look like, then you are able to communicate more clearly to people you love and thus have much better and healthier relationships

Yes, for sure, but in relation to what I just wrote, do you see how some people stop at letting go of norms and don't put the same energy into developing these new clearer, more authentic ways of communicating?

Oh, you mean people pretending to have good relationships and communication but actually not doing anything?

ya that's one way of putting it hahah for sure -- and it can extend beyond that -- to people who pretend to be anti-hierarchical but manipulate power imbalances all over the place to their benefit -- or people who claim to be environmental activists but live super wasteful lives.

I see. That wouldn't really be what I would call "inefficency", that's closer to straight up hypocrisy tbh.

In the case I was talking about, I was thinking about a friend of mine (that might actually see this message at some point idk), who was basically seen as inefficient because he didn't want to conform to the group (those so called "anarchists" there actually are just plain assholes and hypocrites claiming to be anarchists but acting in the absolute opposite way with people part of their group)

sure ya (also I just edited my comment to include more examples fyi) -- I think it comes from the same root problem of focusing on the dismantling part and stalling the process before the innovation part.
of course i don't like using "efficiency" as any remotely useful way of measuring value / progress / etc in relation to how people live their lives... it just got me thinking...

Yes I saw your edit :)

However I don't think this count as "deconstruction" at all, if one change nothing in their way of thinking, communicating, etc; how can one claim to have deconstructed anything in the first place?

I can hardly see deconstruction and re-building as being two separate actions, to me re-building is the act of deconstruction itself.

Maybe we just agree to disagree on that point because I see them as different -- mostly because I have seen so many situations where there is only deconstruction and no re-building. Only absence of things, no imaginative thinking -- only a lack of bad things and not a proliferation of new good things...

Well from the few pics of her still accessible through Google, I reverse image searched and found nothing. The only place with hopeful results had a paywall, everything else came up with next to nothing outside of a repost of one of her risqué pics. So basically whoever the real person is doesn't have an online presence at all, at least not anymore, or they still do but pictures of them are just hard to come by (possibly hosted in a site with a paywall), or these pics were privately shared between her and Lloyd. Alternatively, the pics could have been edited or photoshopped such that the person in the pics isn't real. So the only real hope of verifying all this for sure is that someone comes forward and says "hey that's me" or "hey, I know that person". Now the silver-lining here is that pics were exchanged in DMs between her and others so somebody has more stuff with her on it. Also rip my search history.

Can you give an example interpersonally, of an absence of something? I agree with snowcode I think, because I don't see how your point is anything but wordplay. An absence of a rock on my front steps is different than the presence of a rock on my steps. But the absence of hierarchy in a relationship? That would be the presence of anarchy in a relationship, end of story imo. Now, claiming there is an absence of hierarchy or presence of anarchy in a relationship (saying we're not monogamous but not doing it, that might be flirting with the idea of anarchy in relationships, which is a seperate issue from this presence/absence dichotomy.

Or this is just misunderstanding- because unless the work is put in to develop better communication rather than defaulting to normative role filling, then hierarchy is not reduced or removed.

This discussion probably deserves its own thread btw.

Yeah. It's gone.

Doesn't matter anyways, this troll's gone, at least for a while. Let's just better learn how to deal with... catfishers.

don't really wanna go back to this since ill just feel worse but i think some image manipulation def happened, in the thread lloyd talks abt how they did something similar for music and they edited the images so that they couldnt be traced, also in the comments of the other post abt the sexual abuse implications i cant really link it rn but there was another document abt i think the same person doing a similar thing and something abt them getting the photos from onlyfans? so i think the pics are probably both from a paywalled site and they are also manipulated

Oh, it matters. What a weird ass accusation. I was the first person to out their pedoing (using an alt to avoid raddle being targeted in another revenge attack):

https://raddle.me/user/Peeple

poorly planned and executed with tons of boring filler?

Yeah LOL