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ziq OP wrote

downvoter - give me your feedback, maybe it will help improve it

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capitan wrote

I didn't down vote, but I did go in looking for real world examples of anarchists burning ballot boxes, but did not see any when I scanned through the essay.

Perhaps I missed that.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

https://en.protothema.gr/anarchists-storm-voting-centers-steal-one-ballot-box-burn-it-in-exarchia-square-athens-photos/

https://www.dailyemerald.com/archives/anarchists-burn-ballots-in-protest/article_4a3da09c-683a-5aa8-87bb-484cbd45a7a2.html

https://postcourier.com.pg/pm-condemns-burning-of-ballot-boxes/

https://youtube.com/watch?v=leoffScSvQ4

Not really interested in quoting the media in this essay

Edit:

Found one on theanlibrary, might quote this since it's not from the media:

Rather than demanding jobs or better housing from the government, people have realized that it cannot be relied on and they demand that it gets out of their lives. This has happened over and over again in various towns and villages throughout Algeria.

The insurgents carried out their boycott of the election on April 8 with a general strike in Tizi-Ouzo. There were also road blockades, attacks On polling places, the destruction of ballots and ballot boxes and battles against the police. According to Algerian government sources, there was only 14% participation in the election in Kabylia and this figure maybe high.

Since then the activity of the insurgents has continued with more general strikes, road blockades, demonstrations and attacks on government buildings and officials, often ending up with the closing of of the buildings and the demand that the government officials leave.

The Algerian government tries to keep the insurgence isolated by attributing Berber ethnic goals to it. But the insurgents have made it quite clear that their goals are the end of police and military power and of the hogra, a term for the outrages of the rich and powerful against the poor

https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/various-authors-willful-disobedience-volume-5-number-1

blocking of a polling station:

https://actforfree.noblogs.org/post/2022/04/24/toulouse-france-blocking-of-polling-stations/

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

someone on reddit found the original statement from the Athens anarchists:

https://athens.indymedia.org/post/1598979

they translated it, and I've improved the translation a bit. Gonna use it to open the essay I think:

Our ears are ringing from the desperate calls of parties and other political organizations for participation in the democratic election procedure. A small group of comrades, we were moved by their woeful vote begging and, armed with our determination, our desire for direct action and our sledgehammers, we participated in the democratic fiasco. Using all of the above, we smashed the system-of-delegates status quo that serves as the norm and formed our own terms of attack and sabotage, right inside the walls of their own little festival.

Thus, we claim responsibility for the invasion of the 33rd election center of Athens a few minutes before the polls closed, where we expropriated a ballot box. As we entered the premises, our eyes anxiously searched for the voting center's appointed police guards, but we discovered that while they were indeed present, they chose to play hide-and-seek with us (successfully, to be honest). As we departed, we left a gift to the living-dead party officials and the trash democratic volunteers of the electoral committee: A (stolen from the cops) tear gas grenade. A few seconds later, we surrendered the contents of the box to the only fitting fate: fire.

This action is a warm welcome to new prime minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis and his party New Democracy, who have promised to end us. We're waiting for you...

SABOTAGE ELECTIONS

BURN THE BALLOTS

-Ballot-Stealing Arsonists

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subrosa wrote

Your writings are starting to annoy me because they're just a little too agreeable, too familiar. Maybe I can only say that because I rejected voting years before I ran into anarchism. The whole "voting as harm reduction" rationale is pretty alien to me, not even dissatisfied liberals put that much effort into pushing me to vote. So I guess I'm simply not the target audience.

My own essay would've talked about how anarchists are a motley crew, usually quite resistant to go-to rhetoric, and with a high percentage of decidedly non-voters. Anachists are a shit demographic for any attempt of collecting votes. So even if you think voting is important, you're more likely having any influence on the results by bothering anyone but anarchists. Go to the undecided, go make Democrats look better than they are. But, in your own interest, do it elsewhere.

That's the difference though, I didn't write my piece. I'll come to terms when its all over. I can only respect and appreciate you going for the attack when the discussion is still happening. Gets my upVOTE.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

it's obviously not written for people i know either, it's for anarcho-americans like all of my attack pieces, they're the only 'anarchists' obsessed with party politics and constantly flooding our spaces with their electioneering. a few brits too when there's a general election there, but the rest of the anarchist world completely rejects participating in government because they're not high on glue

we have actual socialist and communist parties here and anarchists despise them. but muricans are stumping for a literal far right party that spends millions funding fascists in the other party so they look better by comparison. and then they accuse people who object to their shilling for a far right party that funds fascism of supporting fascism for not joining them to shill for the party that funds fascism. it's too surreal. they're literally saying you have to vote blue party because red party wants to genocide trans people when blue party funded those transphobes campaigns and got them elected and created the whole threat they're scared of.

unwrapping hypocrisy is what fuels most of my essays

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ziq OP wrote

they're also the countries where the liberal propaganda is strongest, they're constantly being bombarded with it, i guess it rots their brains. they seem to honestly believe joe biden is saving them from concentration camps

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asterism wrote (edited )

Crown, flag or ballot box - all instruments of oppression are thankfully flammable.

I mean if we are talking about the Pahlavi Crown that for sure is super flammable. But have you seen the Holy crown of hungary or the Great Crown of Victory? Going to need to bring out the smelter for that one.

/s

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ziq OP wrote

Was trying to think of something more flammable than a crown but got stuck

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asterism wrote (edited )

If you want something representative of a monarchy thats actually pretty hard. Like thrones are sometimes wooden but they can also be metal and stone. Scepters and those orby things are almost exclusively metal. I guess royal robes or garments but "royal robe" probably doesnt flow as well.

a gavel or a pulpit is flammable though not monarchy specific.

You can always go with the monarch themselves, they are flammable!

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lettuceLeafer wrote

royal palace

plus its annoy libs who want the tourism revue

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asterism wrote

Yeah that works too!

I guess one exception would be petra but no kingdom inhabits it now.
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veuzi wrote

I wanna post this on Reddit so bad but with how spicy this is, I don't feel like getting into another fight with hundreds of anarcho-democrats a second day in a row.

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ziq OP wrote

Anlibs don't read anything unless it has Chomsky, Kropotkin or Graeber's name on it, so there's not much chance they'll respond to any of the points beyond the title.

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roanoke9 wrote

Anarcho-dems are trying hard to become the most infuriating branch of ancaps. My new go to for dealing with them will be continually pointing out that they are a subset of ancaps.

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veuzi wrote (edited )

I ended up posting it anyway. Not as a full submission, that would bait out way too many shitlibs to handle right now, but as a footnote to a related comment in DebateAnarchism. Don't expect any significant or serious engagement with it for now, but I may reconsider posting this as a full submission to r/@ on another day if someone else doesn't do it first.

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Archaplain wrote

oh that was your post?

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veuzi wrote

The "vote for nobody" one? No. But the discourse spilled over into r/Anarchy101 and I got into a bit of a tussle over there.

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Archaplain wrote (edited )

Good essay i liked that one was much more targeted and confrontational than all the other ones you have written, tho you did repeat some points from w/voting (obviously thats unavoidable) i think you covered most of the bases (all the various strawmen, the post-election gaslighting, the system working as intended in crippling anarchist discourse and means of action etc.). Aside from all that i dont know what else you could have put in there that has not already been written down hundreds of times.

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asterism wrote

Lol your description of reasons people actually vote was spot on.

I know I have talked about this before but that's basically why I voted the one time I did.

But I was self-aware enough to know that I was betraying my own beliefs on voting ( that it wasnt anarchist ) and that I was doing it solely for my own gain.

I keep the I voted sticker around to make fun of myself and my lapse in judgement.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

Ok, finished the final draft. thanks for the feedback. i submitted it to anarchistnews but they don't always accept my stuff. i guess i'll send it to warzone too.

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