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Classicide2Announced wrote

Well, one time, Faux News interviewed a greasy person on national television. And this self-appointed representative of "antiwork" apparently made the whole sub look bad.

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moonlune wrote

Well, one time, Faux News interviewed a greasy person on national television.

I don't trust people who aren't greasy and ineloquent.

And this self-appointed representative of "antiwork" apparently made the whole sub look bad.

The whole sub looked bad and proved itself unsalvageable once they started bullying her for an interview that was objectively okay (outside of her not being conventionally attractive eww eww bad bad bad sinner!). Usual for reddit tbf.

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ChaosAnarchy OP wrote (edited )

Honestly looking bad that was a hell of ableism. I think you even could see they were clearly uncomfortable doing the interview compared to other interviews. And let's not pretend we didn't had a phase where our bedroom was a little bit more less cleaned than usual. Not to forget that this whole professionalism bullshit is what I hate the most. Like "you gotta wear a suit, make your bed before heading into a interview", ah yes, let's make the pretend game start! How much boot will I lick?

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veuzi wrote

The only mistake Doreen made was accepting an interview on Fox News.

How she presented herself doesn't matter, and obssessing over it as if it was bad only exposes your own inclinations: that of ableism, civility politics and valuing the aesthetics of being a worker and "functional member of society" more than the actual values of anti-work.

What she said about anti-work wasn't much, but what little there was, was all bang-on. In this society, choosing not to work is seen as some horrible sin that makes you "lazy". Wanting to work less is a violation of the sacred idea of productivity: you have to be a "productive worker" and present yourself as if you want to contribute to society or you're worthless. This sacred idea even extends to the welfare states that the r/workreform socdems love so much. Being able-bodied, unemployed and on benefits, you are still required to be actively looking for work or take part in some BS "motivational" program, or you won't get your meagre benefits at all. And yet, people on welfare are often dehumanized as lazy, spoiled "welfare queens".

It is foolish to think that one person can "represent" a subreddit. That was never going to happen, and that probably wasn't Doreen's intention either. But she didn't misrepresent anti-work values or ideas at all.

She didn't make the sub look bad, the sub made itself look bad with the backlash and new direction it took after the interview. r/antiwork is a shell of its former self not because of Doreen, but because anti-work and work abolition is an uncomfortable idea for the average joes of the world, who have grown up with workerist indoctrination in school and in the media, and haven't seriously confronted it.

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Classicide2Announced wrote

We're on the same side.

I don't think Doreen is a bad person for not combing her hair, making money from dog walking, or showing the world that gross-looking living space during the interview.

But I do think fox news choose Doreen so they could associate workers who don't want to labor for their masters with negative stereotypes; and in the minds of the brain-washed public, it worked.

I really don't disagree with you. I think the most powerful aspect of class struggle is the enslaved producers saying "no" and meaning it.

I believe the concept of "work" as we know it will be abolished in a cooperative society.

Oh, and of course you accuse me of ableism for suggesting people should wash their hair once in a while.

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