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Majrelende OP wrote

I had a response typed, and then deleted it-- because it wouldn't have gotten us anywhere. Now...

are beavers authoritarian? is what they do essentially destructive, does it damage ecosystems, or is it creative change that is following the unknowable nature?

I don't know exactly how to answer myself, but I guess that the answer to this would be important for resolving this discussion, by providing an analogy with the advantage of distance.

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