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gone_to_croatan wrote

The only case that I would agree with you is the case of indigenous people being massacred by mining, deforestation and other activities. The average city dweller and ever the person already inserted in the modern world don't have in their daily life situations akin to what BIPOC suffer in the context of racism and xenophobia.

When we say eco-extremism, generally we don't talk about indigenous people, maybe in Chile one of the objectives is disguise as Indigenous as possible bc at the end you are descendants of the indigenous people, but again they are not the indigenous themselves.

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vos wrote

I think you're right. Do we know though, that there are no indigenous eco-extremists? Tried looking into this briefly yesterday, but couldn't immediately find anything.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

I do know of indigenous uprising, but the whole "eco-extremism" thing is a very recent ideology as a such, maybe you could see elements of eco-extremism in some amazon tribes, mapuches and many other indigenous people fighting for their land and their way of life. For me eco-extremism is really tied to attassa and ITS, so maybe in Chile ITS really have ties with the Mapuche struggle. For me this ideology is alien to any indigenous people, it's a Trojan horse like national anarchism, you can see the entryism of European fascist groups in this milieu. Terrorist attack are not a thing for any indigenous movement and the alignment of ITS with O9A (with Luciferiana European mythology) demonstrate this.

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herewegoagain wrote

Terrorist attack are not a thing for any indigenous movement

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Indian_Wars

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gone_to_croatan wrote

So, let me rephrase that:

Terrorist attack are not a thing for any RECENT indigenous movement

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herewegoagain wrote (edited )

Terrorist attack are not a thing for any RECENT indigenous movement

I don't know where you're getting this from tbh. The Bougainvillians against Australia. The Niger Delta warriors against the UK. The Mujahideen against Russia...

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Ok cut the crap, tell me, list just one eco-extremismt that isn't ecofascist too

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gone_to_croatan wrote

So, let me rephrase that (again):

Terrorist attack are not a thing for any RECENT indigenous movement linked to eco-terrorism

Mujahideen u pushed to far mate, they are native alright but indigenous suppose a different category of people.

Maybe you are making digging too deep in this hill, but I'll die here

Fuck off with this ITS apologia

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anarchyintheyouuuk wrote

Terrorist attack are not a thing for any RECENT indigenous movement linked to eco-terrorism

The Niger Delta warriors bombing the oil corporations (indiscriminately killing hundreds so far, including children) aren't eco enough for you?

Mujahideen u pushed to far mate, they are native alright but indigenous suppose a different category of people.

I'm guessing that category of people is 'cuddly natives who white people think are cool'?

Here's the story about the most cuddly of all natives, Ishi, last of the Yahi tribe, and the terror his people inflicted on everyone who wasn't Yahi: https://ia-petabox.archive.org/details/IshiAndTheWarAgainstCivilizationSecondEdition/

Buuut I doubt you'll see what's in front of you, and will instead, again, try to redefine what is meant by indigenous, or what is meant by terror, or what is meant by eco. I'm reminded of this letter: https://theanarchistlibrary.org/library/ted-kaczynski-ted-k-responds-to-kevin-tucker

"In my extensive correspondence with Kevin, he would never under any circumstances admit that he was wrong about anything. Whenever I pointed out a fact that he found inconvenient, he would manipulate words, assigning eccentric meanings to them in order to make the inconvenient fact go away."

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Ok, I don't want to win this debate..

Is not me that is trying to change the definitions every post. But anyways eco-terrorism and eco-extremism are new concepts. Its like saying that the old Incas were Maoists or other fake correlation.

Why the continuous need to legitimize the movement appropriating indigenous struggle? If you want to be eco extreme go for it, you don't need anyone seal of approval..

And quoting uncle Ted is pointless for me, he was a protofash incel imho.

Sometimes Raddle is everything what the people criticize.

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herewegoagain wrote

And quoting uncle Ted is pointless for me, he was a protofash incel imho.

'Everyone is a fascist except me.'

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Styx wrote (edited )

Insisting that non-white indigenous people are terrorists, while taking offence at a literal white terrorist being called a fascist, is as fash as it can get.

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herewegoagain wrote

what's your problem with terror, styx?

yes, some non-white and some indigenous people are terrorists. some white people are terrorists. idk why an anarchist would be so upset about this.

https://web.archive.org/web/20170706075719/http://anarchistnews.org/content/indiscriminate-anarchists

and no, being a terrorist doesn't make you a fascist. using asymmetrical violence (usually for political ends, but also anti-political) makes you a terrorist. again, idk why an anarchist would be so upset about the idea.

you might not like him, but obvs ted k isn't a fascist. and obvs neither am i. it says a lot about you two that you can't hold a conversation without resorting to bookchin-esque name calling with anyone who disagrees with you.

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Styx wrote

Well if it trolls like a fash and obfuscates just like a fash, it's probably a fash, no? The only upset person here seems to be you and your alt, so I'll walk you both out of here. And don't come back with yet another alt. Your obtuseness is too obvious.

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banhammer wrote

Banned for daring to disagree with one of the mods. Nice.

BTW, one of your other mods sent me a PM saying they'd call the cops on me. Real nice /anarchism you've got yourself here.

No reply to my question about terrorism, of course.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

If you need to create alts to express your opinion you can wait the ban.

Ho back to reddit, chump

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gone_to_croatan wrote

WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

Wooooooeowowoowowowoowowowo

this is the sound of the police

Where I say that I would call the police on you? It's easy to lie here, am I right?

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banhammered wrote

How was I meant to interpret a PM from a mod - who I presume has my IP address - saying 'wowowo this is the sound of the police' as anything other than a threat?

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gone_to_croatan wrote

Sometimes is good to live outside the internet.

So much for eco extremism

This is some entryist bullshit for fuck sake

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gone_to_croatan wrote

I don't know why are you trying to push this narrative. Maybe you want to legitimate the ecofash from ITS?

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herewegoagain wrote

When we say eco-extremism, generally we don't talk about indigenous people, maybe in Chile one of the objectives is disguise as Indigenous as possible bc at the end you are descendants of the indigenous people, but again they are not the indigenous themselves.

The communiques of the varied eco-extremist groups claim indigeneity. 'The old gods', 'the sacred ground', 'the ancestors' etc are constant themes in all the eco-extremist writing I've read since the mid 2010s.

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gone_to_croatan wrote

I would say that claiming indigeneity is not a the same as being part of the indigenous struggle.

I don't want to imply they are appropriating, but in Latin America virtually any brown people are descendant of indigenous people but this dont make them allies (in many cases they would be against any indigenous struggle).

I would believe if the Mapuche declares support for them ,for example

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