MaoistLandlord wrote
Reply to comment by !deleted34351 in Jehovah's Witnesses are actually an anarchist organization by TonyTheAnarchist
Since when are anarchists against laws? I thought laws were accepted so long as they're democratic. Rules but not rulers.
ChaosAnarchy wrote
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MaoistLandlord wrote
Are you really saying anarchists don't believe in self government and democracy?
Potkea wrote
We don't.
We may conclude without fear that the revolutionary formula cannot be Direct Legislation, nor Direct Government, nor Simplified Government, that it is No Government. Neither monarchy, nor aristocracy, nor even democracy itself, in so far as it may imply any government at all, even though acting in the name of the people, and calling itself the people.
No authority, no government, not even popular, that is the Revolution. Direct legislation, direct government, simplified government, are ancient lies, which they try in vain to rejuvenate. Direct or indirect, simple or complex, governing the people will always be swindling the people. It is always man giving orders to man, the fiction which makes an end to liberty; brute force which cuts questions short, in the place of justice, which alone can answer them; obstinate ambition, which makes a stepping stone of devotion and credulity...
MaoistLandlord wrote
I meant anarcho-socialists, not individualists like that guy.
Potkea wrote
Proudhon was a socialist. All anarchists are - in a sense - individualists. Even the social anarchists like Kropotkin.
MaoistLandlord wrote
Agree to disagree.
Since I have you here, what do you think about full process democracy?
https://workers.today/china-a-democracy-that-works/
I think it's basically what anarchists advocate for.
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Fool wrote
Russian democracy was installed with American assistance, so you know it's legit!
MaoistLandlord wrote
Of course Russia is a democracy but it's a bourgeois one. China is the only radical democracy in the world. It's normal for counter-revolutionaries to be curtailed in a socialist society. It's for the good of the people's democracy that the revolution isn't poisoned by NATO sympathizers.
OdiousOutlaw wrote
Democracy only works by suppressing dissent
FINALLY, someone who supports that nonsense admits it outright!
Potkea wrote
Chinese democracy - although its likely better than how the west paints it - is still not what anarchists advocatee for. It involves parties, laws and majoritarian rule.
Potkea wrote
Anarchists are against all laws, opting instead for custom and free association.
ANARCHISM: The philosophy of a new social order based on liberty unrestricted by man-made law; the theory that all forms of government rest on violence, and are therefore wrong and harmful, as well as unnecessary.
— Emma Goldman, Anarchism and Other Essays
In a word, we reject all legislation, all authority, and all privileged, licensed, official, and legal influence, even though arising from universal suffrage, convinced that it can turn only to the advantage of a dominant minority of exploiters against the interests of the immense majority in subjection to them.
— Michael Bakunin, God and the State
No more laws! No more judges! Liberty, equality, and practical human sympathy are the only effectual barriers we can oppose to the anti-social instincts of certain amongst us.
MaoistLandlord wrote
So what happens if someone murders people or steals their kids?
Potkea wrote
There are a lot of ways of dealing with this. There isn't one single, perscriptive answer. This zine (PDF) is an interesting and informative read that gives some diverse perspectives.
Suffice it to say that we don't need laws to tell us that murder and kidnapping is bad.
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