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ziq OP wrote (edited )

especially attempting to appeal to western radical audiences which is a tactic they’ve been using to lure in internationals for a long time now. Particularly anarchists. I mean they’ll tell you anarchism is bullshit once you get there and do “education” but they really like recruiting from our base. They’ve had good success turning @ intls into kadro

but push back against this rampant daily Marxist entryism even a little bit and you get dogpiled

look how much propaganda that account posts on reddit day after day: https://old.reddit.com/user/RevistaLegerin

r/@ even made a German from Kurdistan's propaganda department a mod in the past and it took me years to get them off the mod list even as they openly mocked anarchism and banned Kurdistan critics. nothing will rock that war tourist cred

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ChaosAnarchy wrote

Interesting. Didn't know rojava was this fucked?

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ziq OP wrote

Several of the war tourists who have come back have been open about Rojava not being in any way an anarchist project and in fact being far closer in approximation to Marxism-Leninism, with none of the leaders on the ground having any kind of familiarity with anarchist theory.

The war tourists commonly admit they stopped being anarchists after being 'educated' in the training program while over there and are now Marxists, but it doesn't seem to faze baby anarchists, who continue to sign up to fight for this 'democratic' strain of Marxism.

Use the words 'democracy' and 'revolution' a bunch and euro/US anarcho-democrats get giddy and sign up to fight and die for Kurdistan's nationhood I guess.

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ziq OP wrote

the spanish anarchists actually identified as anarchists tho - until they stopped being anarchists and joined the government

the kurds never claimed to be anarchists yet somehow anarchists are still willing to die for their national cause

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kin wrote

Ziq this is anathema to the Anarchist Cause, you are about to be cancelled again... (If u only could care less lol).. good stuff I will check it by lunchtime

Btw... Organizing my musical playlist during work time is avoiding work? I mean my boss told me if it help me work better I can spend some minutes picking the right music to work.. I fear this is a new tactic to enslave me more

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kin wrote

And totally tangent, but Raddle and ziq is helping become more&more convinced with postlef/individualism (at a practical level, should I add)

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ziq OP wrote

https://old.reddit.com/r/Anarchism/comments/tu2ydv/der_internationalist_baran_n%C3%BBjian_ein_k%C3%A4mpfer_der/i31mjqq/

While I definitely support the Kurdish struggle can we please stop being flooded by party propaganda. They’re not anarchists nor do they pretend to be. The new paradigm isn’t even universally supported in the party. Kadro are installed at every level of civil life such as the communes and even as far as the hospitals. Their function is as the responsible who guides the locals towards the party line. Failure to adhere to the stringent ideological line is viewed as a problem with individuals them selves and their solution is further indoctrination.

There are absolutely prisons and laws in rojava. I had a friend who was incarcerated for just smoking weed. Even un sanctioned political graffiti is punishable. There’s a long texts of laws and justice that’s freely accessible at the intl commune.

There’s absolutely no attempt at any sort of social economy there and the party often collaborated with local thug like landlords. Even the so called peoples co-ops are just a fancy word for small businesses.

There a many good things but the completely inaccurate messaging coming from the party propaganda machine is just sickening. I’d highly encourage anyone to go and discover this for themselves.

I spent over a year fighting alongside other internationalist and ypg haramî taburs. These things are well known.

This isn’t to say don’t support the project but take some of it with a grain of salt.

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lettuceLeafer wrote (edited )

Yeah, for a long while I just assumed it was pretty good (skeptical) but mostly bc I heard nothing but massive praise from anarchists and I didn't care to actually learn about it. And after a while of just hearing about this war zone is Syria is a fucking daisy dream land I was like. Well if it's like hal that good u could learn a shit ton of useful skills maybe I'll check it out. Not seriously obviously but extremely mild intrigue at the idea. And like 15 minutes of reading shit it was clearly evident that it's just a normal ass government. Like deadass for recruit they want u to know the language the academic government officials know but are ambivalent if u learn the local language.

Which is like the most ridiculous shit ever for a government to do. Getting fucking soldiers who don't even fucking speak the language of the civilians around them. And I to no surprise realize it was just anarchists being massive marks again

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MaoistLandlord wrote

I actually agree with you for once. Rojava is an imperialist project funded by NATO to destabilize Syria and its lawful anti-imperialist government.

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