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grj456 wrote

We chose not to because we didn't want to throw our vote away... Biden was the only chance we had to defeat the fascist in chief.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

But Joe Biden is a fascist. U didn't defeat fascism u just got the blue team to beat and put minorities into camps instead of the red team beating and putting minorities in camps.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

I think there are plenty of queer people who are legally the property of the US government who would disagree.

You can't defend someone by saying they protect queer rights when they literally make queer people slaves through incarceration.

Turning human beings into property of the state is the very definition of ridding a human being of all rights.

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metocin wrote

Ashy said "hes not actively destroying LGBT rights", they did not say that Biden is protecting them

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

If a innocent queer person is smoking meth in the park and a cop sees them the Biden administration will make them property of the state ridded of all autonomy.

That's the Biden administration actively taking all of a queer person's rights away.

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metocin wrote

That's a terrible example though. Most people would have their rights taken away for getting caught smoking meth in the park.

And you're missing the point. Ashy is right. The state of LGBT rights may be (is) less than ideal, but Biden isn't actively creating measure or rolling back laws that would make it any worse than it currently is.

Don't mistake this as a defense of Joe Biden, simply asking you to not misrepresent what someone else is saying.

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metocin wrote

I hate Biden and the US state but it's not accurate to call him a fascist. He's just a liberal scumbag.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote (edited )

My definition of fascism is cultural policies that would be seen as regressive in the 1920s or earlier, strong blending of capitalism and the state, imperialist conquest, forever war, threats to lock of members of disagreeing ideologies, obsession with law and order, ultra nationalist, rejection of laze fair economic policy and a few other things. A fascist doesn't have to have all of these traits but they have to have a lot.

In the US Joe Biden Border Policy would be seen as ridiculously regressive in the 1800s of the US who had an open border policy. Yes literal slave owners would think that not letting in as many migrants that want to come is regressive..

In reconstruction and up to the 1920s the only people who would like Joe Biden a border policies would be open white supremacists and the KKK. He has given more to them then they were demanding at the time.

https://ehistory.osu.edu/sites/ehistory.osu.edu/files/mmh/clash/Imm_KKK/Immigration%20Pages/Immigration-page3.htm

I think the strong blending of capitalism and the state is pretty apparent.

As Vice President he has a history of working to install puppet steps medley in foreign elections to get a puppet in power. Forever war still continues with his presidency.

Threatened to go after the anarchists. Which is quite telling as anarchists we're the first political group Hitler went after. Though Biden didn't do it due to pushback from his associates. Not bc he thought it was a bad idea.

Given Biden has a history and how he runs the largest per Capita incarceration rate I would say he is obsessed with law and order.

Ultra strict border policy and ultra nationalism is almost one in the same. And Joe Biden a border policy is ultra strict.

So regressing cultural values to over a 100 years in the past, putting minorities into concentration camps, whipping black people for existing, forever war, massive amounts of people enslaved in work camps (prison), has bands of white supremacists beat the shit out of and kill random black people (cops), imperialist policy, capitalism and the state becoming a symbiotic relationship, executive orders remove a ton of oversight and allow him to solely dictate where the US goes to war and enact many laws himself and more stuff..

So in saying Joe Biden isn't a facists do you disagree with my definition of fascism or do you disagree with my points?

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metocin wrote (edited )

I agree with your points but fascism is notoriously hard to define. I think the fourteen points are a good outline of what it is. Biden's government fulfills most of those points, some more fully than others.

I think my main issue is that calling Biden waters down what the word fascism means. It makes me think of young people who are not educated in politics who call anyone they don't like a fascist. To the layman, calling Biden a fascist basically means you're saying he is like Hitler. While Biden is awful, he's not quite that bad. I think a lot of the evil that Biden perpetuates is done more out of ignorance and carelessness, which still makes him a terrible person. But not Hitler.

I find that there are many times here on raddle where I mainly agree with what someone is saying and their point of view, but will take issue with how they frame things. I'm not saying you're flat out wrong, just that I don't think that the way you frame the Biden administration is the best way, especially if you were to converse with someone outside of a fringe political space like this.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

It really doesn't water it down. But that's just a personal opinion ig..

Also I don't use the Joe Biden is racist thing on anyone but anarchists. I think it's important we don't let the bs slide with hoe much pressure Anarcho Bidenists put on people and then they shut the fuck up about critiquing Biden once they got that fash fuck in office.

My Joe Biden is a fascist argument is for how I view the US government and critiquing anarchists.

I think convincing normies that Joe Biden is a fascist is a waste of my time with little benefit.

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metocin wrote

I agree.

Except I dislike the 'anarcho-bidenist' label because I think realistically the amount of people who call themselves anarchist and actually voted for Biden is probably insignificant. It's also a term tankies love using so I'd rather not perpetuate it.

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lettuceLeafer OP wrote

Voting for Joe Biden was the majority anarchist opinion on the internet. Then once you take the anarchists who didn't vote bc they wanted to vote for Bernie the viewpoint of anarchists not voting is extremely fringe on the internet.

Outside of raddle, some people on ni.hil.ist and a sticky post made by a mod on complete anarchy the internet was just exclusively pro Joe Biden anarchists.

Why would I change my language just because it happens to be the same. Anarcho Bidenists is such a good term to describe so many anarchists on the internet.

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metocin wrote

Okay...

I said he's not as bad as Hitler. I am not defending anything about Biden. I said he's awful. I agree with lettuceleafer's points.

I don't appreciate that you decided to involve yourself in this conversation just to twist my words and insult me when I probably feel the exact same way as you about Biden. If you actually read my comments you might have gotten that. No need to be rude.

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metocin wrote

I'm glad people on raddle find you funny. It's sad to me that you're so bent up about a comment made by a stranger who probably agrees with you more on things than they would disagree.

I find raddle to be a generally positive space but it's too bad that it gets ruined by comments like yours and the people who apparently approve of them.

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