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subrosa wrote

Reinventing democracy to be the "positive-sum maximization of individual agency and control over their lives to the greatest extent possible", so that we can argue that democracy is an anarchist value, actually. What a pointless exercise.

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AnarchoDoom wrote

Which also is double think... as democracy is in the way of maximizing individual agency and control over their own lives, by being herd-based politics, if not "majority rule" politics.

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kokoaitu wrote

I don't understand the need to cling to democracy.

If you need to redefine it, in order to make it work, shouldn't you just forget about it.

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

It's easier to understand when you consider how it is a key aspect of the massively-dominant ideology in this society and how some "anarchists" are refusing to go too wild by rejecting the main imperatives of the dominant moral order (as you know the majority can't be wrong!).

In other words, just being fucking normies.

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JoeK OP wrote

Except that anarchists have always supported radical democracy and anarchism wouldn't even be anarchism without it. All anarchists are radically democratic and those that aren't are called ancaps.

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kokoaitu wrote

All anarchists are radically democratic and those that aren't are called ancaps

An-caps support democracy, what are you talking about, Right-Populism is a core tenet of An-caps philosophy. You're not really providing a strong argument.

Except that anarchists have always supported radical democracy

If you can provide some sort proof, that would be great, and I don't mean this article, it's not a good article.

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AnarchoDoom wrote (edited )

lol... Pretty neat how intensely downvoted this thread has got, in just two days.

OP you're better grow some brain cells and leave this weird C4SS cult.

Anarchy's not democracy.

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cretin wrote (edited )

Saw a great talk at Athens Polytechnic when I was in Greece a few years back by the Crimethinc International collective critiquing democracy from an anarchist perspective, OP could really have benefited from attending it :-) If I remember correctly the talk was the launch of the Greek translation of 'From Freedom to Democracy' which I think still remains a decent primer / starting point on why anarchists are opposed to democracy: https://crimethinc.com/2016/04/29/feature-from-democracy-to-freedom

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grj456 wrote

Not sure why this is being downvoted, this is a good piece. Since when are we against self determination?

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bloodrose wrote

What does democracy have to do with self determination? That seems like group determination, no?

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JoeK OP wrote

Since these tree fascists decided to force themselves into the anarchist conversation.

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cretin wrote

wow so anybody who doesn't agree with a crap analysis presented in a c4ss article is automatically a 'tree fascist' ?

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cretin wrote

PS: 'radical democracy' - why stop there, you may as well go full-blown 'radical capitalism' haha

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JoeK OP wrote

No just the primmies here who don't believe in anarchist values. So about 99% of you.

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Garbear104 wrote

You arent anarchist. You are a pissed off liberal upset because you and pals aren't in charge. You get no sympathy from actual anarchists you dog

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