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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote

Ummmmm. Talking about the ways it relates to other approaches would help I think.

Prefiguration and direct action and how that's different from how the world is now and how others propose things. People like me often will have trouble understanding something unless it's rooted in negation of something else. 'We're not like marxists because xyz' is possibly more effective a means of conveying ideas than more general claims for me.

Because you've written the base, but if a person reads what you're saying as a 101 piece they probably won't have the info needed to draw the right conclusions based on what you said. So teasing it out a bit would help.

And there are other ways to say certain bits that fill it out with substance in a similar way. Like how you say

for an imagined place and time, and imagined people. It is for real people and dealing with real problems.

Although it's not explicitly said, for me it's implicit that this also speaks to how anarchy is situational, it's always rooted in a specific context, and looks different depending on that context. A reader might not draw that immediately just based on what you said,

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

I don't agree here.

Prefiguration and direct action and how that's different from how the world is now and how others propose things.

This has nothing implicitly connected to anarchy. These two concepts are more typical of autonomists and tiqqunians.

Also prefiguration is what got many anarchists in the mess they're in, these days, as it equates to be initiating a game and believing it will be carried upon by the rest of the people around, which doesn't happens unless there's really a felt cause for it.

Before prefigurating, you people would better try develop your empathy, as it'll make you realize how so many people might just not be interested in the stuff your believe in.

Anarchy is anarchy... there's no making of a new society or system out of it, and I neither am interested in having one. It's a negation of power (over others), in many forms. An opening to new horizons at best. But the rest of the path, you gotta walk it. No one else will.

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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote (edited )

I don't understand what you think prefiguration is, but I don't think it's prefiguration. What I generally mean by prefiguration was written by someone here and here if you are interested. If you have critiques of those positions I would be highly interested!

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lautreamont wrote

I was referring to the prefigurative politics like those of Tiqqunists, but also a more broader anarcho-left, which does involve that kind of "State Thought" you're referring to in that other post. Just like in the mathematical model in geometry, prefiguration is about collectively creating and casting a mirror-image of an abstract order to reify... some image suspended in our heads, such as the Revolution, of a coming world.

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Hibiscus_Syrup wrote

I'd be interested to see some examples of that kind of prefiguration, it might be a fun thing to write against. If you happen to know any reference spots offhand, please let me know.

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

The Commune in itself, as a paradigm, could stand as old and well-known example of prefiguration. Some people are attempting to "start it up" through non-radical ventures like urban "communes", potlatch, FnBs, some other types of activism, toward the realization of this Commune. The thing is that it always remains an imaginary community, never really something that broader masses of people pick up upon and further grow... but in a way I ain't sure I'd like to have all the normies to keep building the Commune, as it may turn into yet another form of capitalism.

Oh wait... that happened already. lol

So preconfiguration is closer to an ideal than an utopia. Where the utopia is always about something to fulfill in the here and now (even tho some are idealistic), where the ideal is something people follow and seek to reify, or at best lean to. "Leaning to" also means waiting, delaying, postponing due to some planning, as inherently it is sourced on a projected ideal to attain.

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