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UberGeek wrote (edited )

I guess it depends on the form of leftism one asrcibes to. I oppose all forms of authoritarian force, regardless of if being by the "proletariat" (They can be wrong, after all).

I'm more of a "let's do cool shit here, and let others join us if they want. But don't fuck around with us, lest you find out".

Workers should be armed, to ensure this, of course.

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southerntofu wrote

The Bolshevik “betrayal” of anarchists during the Russian Revolution is a commonly known, and almost overly debated instance where anarchism has come into open and bloody conflict with leftism.

Sorry but i will not read beyond this point because i take it as an insult to our dead comrades. "Leftism" is a concept invented by Lenin (though the word itself was used before) to designate and execute anarchists and other revolutionaries. So clearly there is a misunderstanding here: anarchism is left-wing (anti-property) and that's precisely why anarchists were executed by the bolsheviks who love State control and property.

Please let me know if it's worth reading anyway

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d4rk wrote (edited )

I honestly have a distinction when it comes to Left and Right whenever it comes to politics. Because for one thing it is confusing to look at it within positivist or deductive a priori judgements on values each hold, rather I see it through the mechanisms of their ideal society.

the Right are on the mechanism of always looking to insert Truth into Culture and therefore hegemonize it. The problem comes from "Truth does not exist" and this truth and the reactions cause instability and probably cultural hegemony that will cause massacres and crimes against humanity. Mao & Hitler is the same therefore in the context of this Right-Wing idea that there is a common objective truth held within society.

the Left however accepts the idea that Lies make up Culture, so even in the most authoritarian strains we all believe in Culture above Reason whenever it comes to Society creation. It leaves us to the advancement of technology and the platonic noble lies that create stability within society.

So it is preposterous to believe that the Left cannot exist with Anarchism. The Left society cannot exist without the State and Capital for sure because such institutions cause instability.

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_caspar_ wrote

"It leaves us to the advancement of technology and the platonic noble lies that create stability within society."

like cybernetics? I dont really understand your distinction between reason and culture, hasnt reason generated cultures as well as passion or faith? has not reason been a primary driver in the advancement of technology, or put in more preferable phrasing, technology in service of quantitative growth and speed?

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d4rk wrote (edited )

No, reason does not generate culture rather it does the complete opposite. It degrades culture. The past anarchists jumped on the bandwagon of the Modernist movement and fully embraced this degradation of faith by reason, not saying that it is incompatible just that it was the cultural zeitgeist of the time defining it such.

This is definitely a mistake creating a culture of its own which my political position believes should be conserved. I digress. Culture is created by lies as I have said in a recent article. And so far, technological advancement is directly improportional to the advancement of culture. Anti-civs get that. The things we value something will always be degraded by reason, like what is a tree other than a potential table? what is the fertile fields of the middle east other than undisturbed oil fields?

It degrades the systems and as long as it degrades crises will proliferate over and over again. This is why I disagree as well with Moral Objectivism.

Lastly, the libidinal economy is the contemporary capitalist society's response to the gains of modern culture, think about how many more unresonable objects have been produced over the decades in proportion to actual basic necessities? I'm actually research amount of brabie dolls production growth in comparison to sacks of rice to prove this. But, in summary: -Reason degrades Culture -Reason Objectifies people -Rational systems proliferate crises rather than basic necessities.

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_caspar_ wrote

"a mistake creating a culture of its own"

this is what I meant by reason generating a culture of its own, a terrible one, but a culture nonetheless. I agree with your conclusions, and take a generally anti civ/luddite position regarding the goals tech has been put toward: limiting the possibility and proliferation of cultures. Im not invested in the conservation of faith-based systems stemming from authoritative and/or transcendent ideals (not saying you are by the way, its unclear),, but can be cool with many others.

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d4rk wrote (edited )

considering that contemporary Anarchism is a reason-based culture system, I'm one to like these "new culture" styles to conserve rather than the faith-based authoritarian cultures which are highly unstable. which is why i identify as leftcon. The problem is that the degradation always gets to the Right-wing Hegelian Unity rather than a Stable Society.

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