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cyberrose wrote

Sorry for my off-topic reaction on one text:

Did not read all of that and just started aith Anti-Tiqqun. First I'd like to say I'm also not a big fan of Tiqqun.

But do you think the text is good? It starts of with communziation, and I ask me why since quite some branches of communization theory would rather exclude tiqqun or invisible committee and such. Also the explanation of what this theory is about does, at least in my view, not get the point. For example the point on the proletariat; in communization theory this is actually what they are talking about: dissolving the classical proletariat and turning to surplus proletariat. And in the end dissolving the proletariat during communization in total.

To me it seems they try to take opposition to communization without thinking what they have in common with them (and it seems they have quite some things in common).

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kin wrote

I don't wanna hijack the post but can someone point me how many "currents" we have for Communization theory? Tiqqun, Troploin, even Bookchinites have called their theory "Communization" even if they mistaken it for communalism.

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cyberrose wrote

Bookchinites talk about communization? Okay I think I get what they mean by that but still it's a completely different theory.

To your list, I would add theorie communiste at least in Europe it feels like they have most impact (beside Dauve) on the field. There are also quite some smaller groups going in this direction not identifying themself with communization but also rarely giving new impulses to the theory. For reading I would mention Endnotes and SIC.

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southerntofu wrote

later dumped at a hospital with a broken limb

He was not dropped for treatment in front of any hospital, but as additional shaming in front of a psychiatric facility.

Appelistes/Tiqqunists turning up at the homes of no-dealers

And evicting some of those homes. Most notably the squats on the "Route des chicanes" which the authorities wanted to evict in order to divide the ZAD in two places they could better control (the road crossed the ZAD and had been barricaded for years).

Appellists forming militias to evict comrades from a land occupation to please the police was definitely a turning point in the struggle, and as predicted led to police having strategic advantage during the battles a few weeks later.

It was said and really open from the appellists at the time of evicting anarchist squats that they were in direct communication with the prefecture. They even promised the anarchists they had just evicted that they would relay their concerns about wildlife conservancy to the prefecture.

There's also strong, coinciding reports/testimonies of active sabotage of the barricades of the ZAD by the appellists during the evictions led by the police.

On a more personal note, the last appellist i met was proud they had an undercover appellist high within the ranks of the military. Notwithstanding the failure to disclose to a complete stranger such supposedly-secret information, the fact he was proud of having "infiltrated the State" says a great deal about that kind of mentality. I believe appellists are really similar to trotskyists in such matters (entryism).

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southerntofu wrote

I guess they are so general and meandering that they function like a rorschach test.

There is definitely something like that to appellist litterature. It's very poetic romance that can be appealing to a lot of folks, without centering discourse on what is oppression and privilege, mostly due to being written by a bunch of higher-classes white men.

Its shocking to me that this is the practical application you'd come up with from reading

Yes, that is sad. But to be honest i believe it's less a problem with the book and more a problem with the imaginary party not being so imaginary after all.. and having very concrete strategies for entryism in social struggles with a concealed agenda. Already before the evictions, the appellists on the ZAD had constituted a very secret group called CMDO to seize control of various collective infrastructure (including meetings), and they insisted for quite some time this group did not exist if my memory does well.

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