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nbdy wrote

I love it. Found several of the speakers incredibly annoying but that actually satisfied a craving I’ve been having

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_caspar_ OP wrote

yes, enough cringeworthiness to fill buckets. Aragorn! cuts deep through it. a pleasure to see them on video for the first time.

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blackisland wrote

It was 20+ years of THIS that got A! exiled from the NA anarchist scene, not some fucking journal he published. People don't like to have their bubble's burst. People like to pretend they're on the cusp of some great overcoming. People like to talk to a room of people nodding along in agreement. The anarcho-liberal crowd wanted him out since the late nineties, and in the late 2010s they finally got their wish. Shame on everyone who went along with it.

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nbdy wrote

The way these people talked to each other is hilarious. The amount of yelling shut-up and level of hostility is really interesting to me.
Definitely isn’t in line with the type of dialogue I’ve seen in radical spaces these days.

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_caspar_ OP wrote

for sure, not exactly the tiptoeing around that is pervasive at almost any talk/discussion (radical or otherwise) Ive attended in the near past. perhaps its the fear of being tagged insensitive looming large..

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nbdy wrote (edited )

Tatoally. Consequently we seem to have lost spaces where learning to defend ones own interests in an individual sense is fostered, and instead there’s been a move towards a generalized “policing” attitude towards social dynamics.
Definitely feels like the concern “optics” has moved inwards somewhat. I’d be interested to find an origin in the world of theory responsible for this shift but perhaps it’s come from many places.

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blackisland wrote

I’d be interested to find an origin in the world of theory responsible for this shift but perhaps it’s come from many places.

I'd say it comes out of the universities. Discussions between anarchists now look, sound and feel more like a tutorial in a humanities department. Long gone are the shouty, boozy, brawling conversations of yesteryear. The conversation above is somewhere in the transition period between the two.

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vpn_disconnected wrote (edited )

Formatting groups against each other like this in a “debate” is such a horrible idea lol

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

Anybody knows what happened at 13:18-15:14, and 17:03-19:12 in Part 2!? The two women were starting to tell stories of rape from their scene... but why censoring what they were telling?

Otherwise, very fun exchange from another era. Some very cringe moments too. Not exactly the ideal form of engagement to confront these people from different views one against the other but maybe worth it, once in a while.

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blackisland wrote

censoring

Perhaps the women requested for the footage to not be included?

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lautreamont wrote (edited )

Maybe. Could be many things. I was just asking in case someone here knows the backstory.

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