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ladyanarchist wrote

How do you anticipate the United States government handling this?

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_ziq_ wrote (edited )

Gunfire. Drones. "Operation freedom".

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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote

That's something I keep coming back to. Do you really think that the US government would just be like, "Oh go ahead and try out your little experiment," and they wouldn't do everything in its power to sabotage you or find some legal loophole to string you up by? There has yet to be a country that tried to go Socialist or Anarchist that didn't face a massive backlash from Capitalist Nations like the US. They always talk about how Capitalism is the best system because it allows for competition, yet as soon as anything tries to compete with Capitalism, massive hissy fits are thrown.

Also, even if you manage to successfully run your little commune, the effects of Capitalism would still affect you. Poisoned run-off from a factory doesn't care that you protested against it and never shopped there. No matter where we go, we will still feel the effects of capitalism. There is no escaping them.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

I think it has to be done in the US. This is the heart of the empire. Do it in a place that is set up to face the least amount of the negative effects of capitalism and global warming, within or as close to the heart of the empire as possible. Don't seek out publicity or to broadcast what you are doing. If even everyone who commented on this opened up a different anarchist Maroon commune from which to attack the empire, we would be much further along the revolutionary path.

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Romanticist_Literature wrote

I think that if the land was bought through a legal transaction the feds wouldn't really care. There have been plenty of communes that have been set up like that over the years.

Although if we were to use that as a rally point to go fuck up some shit afterwards, then we'd be on the radar. But a small scale anarchist commune wouldn't really raise that much attention, provided that we're paying taxes, and, if we're not using our own generators and wells, paying for utility services from companies.

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I think people do it often enough. What I think is more important is how that space connects to things that destroy capitalism beyond that. Paradise for a handful sounds too much like capitalism.

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ziq wrote (edited )

'Without money' - we'd need money to start off, to buy solar panels, building materials, etc. But after those initial costs, the place could become self sufficient as long as members of the community know how to repair stuff.

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It would really need to be like an actually-anarchist version of Rojava. A society that people will be willing to move half way across the world to fight for. And it would need to withstand all kinds of imperialist shenanigans i.e. be completely self sufficient. And it couldn't be situated somewhere where it'd risk having any colonial-connotations - a bunch of foreigners taking over part of some third world country won't fly.

It would need to be in a place where it could easily expand without needing to buy more land. i.e. surrounded by unused land that can be squatted. If it's too close to other communities, it could create tensions.

So: remote, in a place with minimal state control, in a place without a history of colonialism, in a place where 100% of food can be grown on site, free access to water.

And like Tequila_Wolf said, it needs to have a mission statement to do more than just be an isolated commune. It needs to actively engage with the rest of the world to show them that they don't need capitalism.

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Cheeks wrote

Also, it would be imperative to keep money out of the equation for business with outside persons, groups, etc. Forming mutual aid alliances with neighboring people and communities for other necessary goods, resources, and services when possible or simply bartering.

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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

I'd be all for establishing an anarchist community, and I honestly think if done right it could be essential for the revolution. It could be established almost like the maroon communities of Jamaica, Haiti, or Florida. What can we use to collaborate and further develop the project?

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Gerrard_Winstanley wrote

I went to school for city planning and am very interested in this idea. The concept was only referenced in my (neoliberal) education in a historical sense, despite the fact that tiny houses and "off-grid" was getting really popular at the time.

Doing things under current US zoning and general health/safety standards is EXTREMELY expensive. Ignoring the regulations makes things a lot more manageable but requires a lot of knowledge and responsibility to not hurt anyone or the environment. It can be done. It should be done. It must be done. The powers that be are very against it and do not want anyone to set an example showing people what is possible if you drop their bureaucratic, tax-dollar-stealing, big-developer-favoring system of planning and regulation.

It can be done. It must be done. It will be done.

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zod wrote

Sounds like you've got some stealing to do, comrade.

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fallen_leaves wrote

I think this sounds like a great idea. We should do it! There are so many ghost towns it might not even be necessary to build a new one.

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Mance wrote

Many Mennonite communities do basically this.

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seitanicqueer98 wrote

as much as i support the idea, i can't help but feel i'd be guilty of all the good i did not do by leaving society and not putting the privilege i was born into to use (i.e. helping others who aren't able to go live on a commune). this is kind of another topic but sometimes i dream about dropping everything to hop trains around the country. but then i consider how a lot of trainkids are in the scene b/c of financial or family circumstances, and yes some of them are perfectly well off and do it to spite society but, like i said, i feel like i'm at the point in my life where i'd get more meaning out of saying put and making an impact thru activism/direct action

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Naokotani wrote

I would be careful about where you do this. Some municipalities really frown on that sort of thing for obvious reasons.

Of course, there are other places where building codes and the like are less strict. Just have to make sure you do lot's of research.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Best advice is to not do it in N. America/UK/the rest of the empire.

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Romanticist_Literature wrote (edited )

I've heard of a place in Arizona (I think) that's the ruins of an old U.S. air force base that was torn down several decades ago, and has since been used as a gathering space for hitchhikers and nudists.

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Naokotani wrote

I think thats in the movie "Into the Wild" I believe it is called Slab City.

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tnstaec wrote

It has been done before. The difficult part isn't the state intentionally undermining it, as maintaining the ethos of an explicitly anarchist community. Witness Home, Washington.