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yallsuck wrote

Reply to comment by !deleted30 in I hate anarcho rape apologists by suma

Nope. I said the colonial mind set made more sense as an argument. because it rejects the institution as a whole. As far as I understand the current argument is that one shouldnt vote if the options are two rapists. Which is not a rejection of the institution. It's a contextual rebellion for personal harm reduction.

I'm just stating my own impressions about those lines of argument. Not the legitimacy of the underlying feelings. Both are sure as hell legitimate.

the anticolonial side also seems able to nuance itself. They're saying don't vote in American elections but they're also reminding us of the rich history indigenous democracy :

It’s important to note, and paradoxical, that the colonizing architects of the U.S. constitution were influenced heavily by the Haudeneshonee Confederacy.

Y'all are just saying "voting is rape apologia" and attacking the idea of democracy because the current options suck (ok sure and past).

Are you really just saying don't vote this election?

Oldest confederacy: https://www.haudenosauneeconfederacy.com/the-league-of-nations/

A take on the Zapatistas: https://www.opendemocracy.net/en/democraciaabierta/zapatistas-lecciones-de-auto-organizaci%C3%B3n-comunitaria-en/

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Bezotcovschina wrote

I think "don't vote for a rapist" is a valid way of criticizing electoralism - when people are forced to make a choice between two rapists is terrible situation and shows systemic flaws.

I'm not that familiar with indigenous democracy traditions, but I believe there are more differences between them and modern presidential elections than similarities.

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yallsuck wrote

Sure. My point is still that voting in a broken system is more impactful than not voting.

Vote in the broken system. And fight for a better one.

They're not mutually exclusive options

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Bezotcovschina wrote (edited )

Well, to be 100% honest with you, I don't think voting never ever brings positive changes whatsoever, period. One thing I can say with certainty - I will never vote for a known rapist.

Edit: This comment, indeed, might look like rendering what I say in my previous comment pointless, because it fails to criticize electoralism in general. But anyone can find valid critique in the links /u/Daileon posted.

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yallsuck wrote

I'll take it.

Voting isn't always completely useless ;)

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ziq wrote

It's as useless as your existence.

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yallsuck wrote

Had I really have no use in life. You sure as hell are providing me with one.

I'm trying to disengage here. I get it y'all don't like having your opinion questioned or having to explain it. Good for you.

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