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yallsuck wrote

Reply to comment by !deleted30 in I hate anarcho rape apologists by suma

Cool cool.

Not even any love for the Zapatistas. Y'all are one tough bunch.

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yallsuck wrote

It's true. I'm defensive. This thread isn't pleasant. To be expected given the subject I suppose.

As for the tone, I might've read your a reply as "I dont have to answer that".

Idk about the whole "fuck this group" thing. My last comment was an attempt at portraying myself as a flopping stand-up comedian.. I'm no Dan Brown though.

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yallsuck wrote

Yeah.. the whole I can't read the room is the point.

Anyhow I think we've reacched the end here. I'm going to reflect on all of these great points y'all have made about how justified you are in your non-voting praxis.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

I'm defensive. This thread isn't pleasant.

What is making you defensive? The topic of rape culture? Why would the discussion of how powerful capitalists are unapologetic, proud, unaccountable abusers...make you defensive? I guess my question is, what shared stake do you have with those people targeted by OP's/ITT's critique/frustration with these ultra-powerful people?

I'm not meaning to passive aggressively calling you a rapist. I don't know you. But I think that many people, are socialized to get defensive when the topic of abuse culture and normalized/rhetorical violence come up. We are all invested in seeing ourselves as moral beings, with a coherent framework, so it's difficult for us to talk about the many ways in which all of us are, in varying ways, complicit in a variety of different reifications, even if we actively and vocally try to oppose those reifications. But the truth is, we do reify these things, they wouldn't exist without broad participation. So it's better to talk about them and deconstruct them one step at a time, than get defensive, imho.

My last comment was an attempt at portraying myself as a flopping stand-up comedian...

self-deprecation is the road to self-pity and, can also result in the bad take syndrome. Additionally, there's usually no worse comedian, than the comedian that blames the audience for their bad set-- even in a meta way, lol. I can think of a few exceptions i guess, though.

Not voting is cowardly.

I mean, voting requires you to put your name and address and other personal infos, in a public database. Seriously; just type in the legal name and date of birth of one of your friends into the ballot tracking website; you'll get their address out, and their political party they registered for. Given USA is on the brink of...something, I don't really fault your fellow USA residents for not voting this time due to how potentially dangerous it could be for victims of stalking/abuse, POC, minorities of various kinds, and people who do other more meaningful political work. I think saying it's "cowardly" is kind of fucked up if they have actual safety concerns due to direct action or other vulnerabilities.

Not voting is exactly the type of propaganda strategy I would be pushing if I was Trump.

I mean, yeah, and voting would be exactly the propaganda strategy you would pursue if you were Biden. That doesn't invalidate the position, really; people can have different desires for doing the same thing.

"I want other peoples votes to decide for me"...What principals?! The idea that by doing nothing you're superior to the person that takes a few minutes to vote for a clearly lesser evil?

If you think about it, other peoples' votes already decide things for you. Unless you happen to live in a few random cities, the USA election for president is basically out of your reach to influence. Which makes both voting, and not voting, an essentially aesthetic or symbolic action rather than a meaningful praxis of any kind. At least, in the national elections in USA; I know less about the local ones, but sometimes people have good reasons for participating in those from what I have heard from friends.

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broseph wrote

They even hate Kropotkin around here lol.

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