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_caspar_ wrote

to me this whole premise exemplifies a central problem with politics and political logic. youre talking of abstract masses of thousands to millions of different people, ready to be moved about like pieces on a gameboard.

"lessening the association with black people being at the forefront of systemic racism"

how would an individual person go about doing such a thing, even if they wanted to?

" is it worth it if black people face less backlash?"

how does this proposal differ from the white savior complex?

I understand these are contentious questions, but Im asking them in good faith, and think they are important to consider.

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_caspar_ wrote

"I think this would be someone an organization would have to make minor restructurings to do something like this."

this is still vague and abstract to me, which describes my initial point: due to the political logic of the framing, these things cannot help but be talked of abstractly.

"I was hoping to spark a discussion about how leftists voicing their more radical opinions might cause the right to lash out against those undeserving who don't even want the change many anarchists want."

I guess Im confused with whom your addressing, and what you are wanting to be addressed: anarchists about what leftist organizations do, leftist organizers who self-identify as anarchist about what leftist organizations do, anarchists (leftist or otherwise) about non-anarchists or non-leftists who "who don't even want the change many anarchists want" do? maybe all of the above?

all the framing as if these categorized people have the same goals and strategies in mind, and the deservedness bit, is odd to me. especially odd is the idea that the uprisings after Floyd's death are somehow disconnected from: "anti police sentiments but ideas of class oppression and more broad anti state sentiments," or whether they should be, or not.

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"I wanted to see if other people thought that this idea is something worth investigating further and ideas on and possible strategies to curb it. "

I see. to me it seems a way to discredit anarchists and maintain the political status quo.

"You saying that I have no clear plan to solve it or a clear problem isn't a criticism."

I didnt say you had a plan or solution one way or the other. the framing didnt make sense to me, that's why I responded and asked what I did.

"I don't believe this nor have I espoused that ideas like this are legitimate."

I didnt say you did, I said the idea is odd, whoever happens to express it.

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rot wrote

I read something once along the lines of "black people don't have to call themselves anarchists when we are assumed to be by the state."

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