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It is important that we help people coming here to figure out or argue over what happened on those days, so here are a bunch of sources so people can see what actually happened.

8/29, Portland shooting of Jay Bishop

Earlier in the day, a pro-Trump motorcade of ~600 cars went through the highway on the edge of Portland. A contingent of them decided to drive into the city and confront antifascist protesters. They brought mace, paint ball guns, and other weapons, which shows they preemptively wanted to attack people. They taped off their license plates, a crime, to hide their identities, and yet the police did nothing which gives even more credence to the idea that Portland PD is colluding with them, more info here and here. They attacked a man recording some not taped off plates. They tried to run over protesters, a common terrorist tactic, and shot paintball guns at people, who defended themselves by throwing bottles and other stuff they had on themselves.

During the day, two men were interviewed by a journalist. One is Chandler Pappas, a known patriot prayer activist, and the other is Jay Bishop, also known as Aaron Danielson, the one that ended up dead. The journalist tweeted this picture of them heavily armed before the shooting, quoting Chandler as saying “I’m here to stop people from assaulting these people” which to him meant hunting antifascists. There is also audio footage of Chandler talking about how he's ready to start killing leftists from a different incident.

The initial video that came out of this was fuzzy and gave away very little, making it easy for the right to make it out to be trump supporters being hunted by antifa. A second video has since emerged, posted by Ian Miles Cheong, right wing grifter turned influencer (more on him on the bottom), whose apparently too stupid to actually look at what he posts. Here is the transcript (source), feel free to follow along.


0:05 Chandler Pappas: "Hey, we got 'em right here! We got a couple right here. We got a couple right here. Mace 'em. Pull it out."

Jay: "Right here?"

Pappas maces Michael Reinoehl. A split second later, Reinoehl fires two shots, one of which kills Jay.

0:20 Chandler Pappas (same voice as earlier) starts screaming 'Jay', about his friend that was shot. It's clear that Chandler is the same person in the earlier portion that was hunting protesters and was screaming that his friend was shot.


They literally went to hunt antifascists on the streets with pepper spray, and Jay was killed by a man defending himself.

It's important to point out that Jay, the dead wannabe-badass, supported Jeremy Christian's terrorist attack when a Trump supporter killed two people who stood up against him racially harassing two teenage girls by framing it as "three vigilante thugs who assaulted a man for his opinions." He was also arrested for bringing a gun to a protest in 2017, but the charges were dropped because the search was deemed illegal.

8/28, Kenosha shooting by Kyle Rittenhouse

The protests in Kenosha were much more chaotic and it's harder to trace the day-of events because the protests didn't have a motorcade or something similar that are directly linked to the shooting. Instead, the city was rocked by massive protests which saw protesters throughout the city and militias coming in to intimidate them.

The most telling video so far of what Rittenhouse's actions that day were before the shooting is here. This video was taken shortly before the shooting, and Kyle wasn't yet a nationally know figure, so this is simply the interaction between two strangers. The protester recognizes Kyle and accuses him of aiming his gun at them and telling them to get out of their car earlier in the day, which adds credibility that Kyle wasn't some kid out there defending himself but is instead a kid that wanted to larp as a cop.

The first shooting was after an altercation between Rittenhouse and Joseph Rosenbaum. Rosenbaum briefly chased Kyle after a small confrontation between protesters and militia members, and Rosenbaum threw a plastic bag at Kyle, who then shot Rosenbaum. Protesters then tried to chase him because he was at that point a person that just shot and killed somebody and was fleeing the scene, and Kyle shot two others that were trying to take him down.

Much discussion has been had around him having the gun. His lawyer claims the gun belonged to his friend. However as a minor, he did not have the legal right to carry the firearm as he did. Any claims of self defense are very dubious because he broke the law in order to place himself in that position. When somebody goes out of their way to be part of a dangerous situation, such as illegally carrying around a loaded fire arm in a highly charged situation, the claim becomes very weak because they are contributing flame to the fire. This approach is epitomized in the felony liability rule which states that if somebody creates a situation that is likely to result in death (typically but not always by committing a felony) they are liable for any resulting death. Self defense and the felony murder rule doctrine aren't simple and vary between jurisdictions, and I don't claim to fully comprehend the nuances of Kenosha's laws, but it is a fact that Rittenhouse shouldn't have had the gun by his age alone, and his actions created a dangerous environment that directly resulted in 2 deaths.

Edit: So it turns out that Wisconsin's self defense law factors in whether the 'defender' was provoking the incident (WI statute 939.48(2)(a)(a)) and whether or not the 'defender' was engaging in criminal activity at the time (939.48(1m)(b)), which would include a 17 year old possessing a gun. That means his self defense claim will be very, very weak in court.

The following day, a different video was revealed of Rittenhouse intervening in a fight between two girls to sucker punch one of them in the head from behind, starting at the 1:00 mark in the video. This, connected with the video of the protesters accusing him of pointing a gun at them, show Rittenhouse as a violent individual who wanted to become a cop, and for him this meant being violent and believing that he can do whatever he wants to whoever he wants with no repercussions.


The important takeaways:

A) The right believes you have the right to lethally defend yourself from a plastic bag but not from pepper spray. Just kidding, their beliefs have no consistency.

B) Ian Miles Cheong, who posted the second video of the Portland shooting without even listening to what it actually shows, is either too fucking stupid to analyze what he posts before he posts it, or he thinks his followers are too stupid to figure out when he's lying. Considering he's a grifter that lives in Malaysia and makes a living off fueling the culture war in America (a common tactic of worldwide grifters who see manipulating American conservatives as an easy way to make money, see here or here), it's probably both. You can see a detailed catalog of how he built up his influence on reddit in order to grift off that influence here or here. He is a perfect example of the right wing influencers that spread lies in order to grift off their followers. When his reddit scam ended, he just jumped over to spreading lies on twitter. Yes Cheong, I'm calling you out for being a grifter whose too fucking stupid to see what a video actually shows before spreading it. Prove me wrong or issue a retraction.


Don't forget, keep yourself informed on local protests by following the instructions here.

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