Submitted by ziq in Anarchism (edited )

We can't keep expecting platforms owned by far-right billionaires to stay honest. Anarchists are the biggest threat to any capitalist, so of course they're going to shut us down at every opportunity.

Crimethinc / It'sgoingdown / Anarchistnews / sub.media / Unicornriot / Anarchists Worldwide / 325 / A-Infos / AMW English / ROAR Magazine / mastodon.social / littleblackcart / AKPress / theanarchistlibrary and raddle.me are all incredibly important anarchist projects that each serve a different purpose, but they can't continue to exist in a vacuum while the social media behemoths are busy closing ranks to ensure all our efforts are stifled.

Every one of our projects is wholly dependent on corporate platforms for promotion and growth. The capitalists who own those corporate platforms are making it crystal clear to us that they're no longer going to tolerate us radicalizing their users against them. They'll continue to erase any anarchist, anti-capitalist or anti-fascist project that grows enough on their platforms to pose a threat to the established order.

Here on raddle, we try to promote and support other anarchist platforms as much as possible. Our sidebar here links to all the anarchist news outlets and we regularly discuss anarchist podcasts, book fairs and events. We've always encouraged anarchists to use our platform to grow their own platforms. But it's not a one-way street. There needs to be a concerted effort between all the aforementioned anarchist venues to amplify each other's voices. Cross promotion is the only thing that will keep us all alive and kicking. If we all work together it will benefit all of us. If raddle thrives, sub.media thrives and if sub.media thrives, theanarchistlibrary thrives.

We need to lean on each other now that we can no longer rely on individually promoting our platforms on corporate media. Every anarchist site should be prominently linking to and working with every other anarchist site to help the entire anarchist network thrive. We need each other now more than ever.

If you work with one of the other anarchist platforms, I'd love to hear your suggestions for achieving better integration of the anarchist web.

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ziq OP wrote

Please help spread this to any anarchist platforms you frequent.

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lexarr wrote

Does reddit count?

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ziq OP wrote

It takes a lot of work to post raddle promotion to reddit without getting attacked and smeared, I'd rather do it myself.

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just1602 wrote

On a technical point of view, we could also encourage people to use old, but perfectly working technology like RSS feed to always receive the content they want to follow or at least decentralized social network like mastodon and diaspora.

Otherwise, maybe we can improve the Anarcy101 wiki page to have more complete section about news, books and other stuff like that. :)

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Majrelende wrote

First we need to at least try to understand each other and dissociate beliefs from identities. The internet tends to brings a lot of toxicity out of interactions between people of different beliefs as we cannot see each other’s faces.

This is part of dismantling stereotypes like “primitivists romanticise nomadic foragers” and “all communists love large-scale industry”. I feel fine with considering my ideas both anti-civ and communist, as desiring to live in a gift/subsistence/non-market-based community is far from antithetical to believing that civilisation is harmful. If we can get past these charicatures, I think the process would be much less prone to failure.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

The thing about that is anticivs are a tiny, tiny minority in the anarchist sphere, so you're asking the overwhelming majority (red anarchists) to make allowances for a much despised minority (green anarchists). Everything we know about how authority works indicates that will never happen. The people with the power don't give it up unless they stand to benefit greatly. The reds will always smear green anarchist projects like littleblackcart and prop up red projects like AK press because the red project reinforces their ideology / ego, and the green project forces them to question it.

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suma wrote

Case in point.

And this is literally listed as a rule on r/COMPLETEANARCHY:

No Primitivists. Tacit approval of genocide is a no-go.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

Ideology that can only be achieved through violent force.

I can attack this from so many angles, oh my fucking god.

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suma wrote

Idk how people IDing as anarchists can be so fucking ignorant.

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BlackFlagged wrote

Just be glad r/anarchism still has some good mods that don't ban non-reds. Once reddit cancels that space tho (it's the logical next step after chapo), raddle and anarchistnews will be the last forums that aren't completely controlled by anarcho-authoritarians.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

Yo, I can't wait until we start speaking truth to power and the people with power willingly, non-violently abolish their positions and we all wake up in an internationalist an-synd utopia which is still somehow anarchist despite still having all of the functions of a state just painted black and red.

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lexarr wrote

Are you talking about the CNT? How was it a state? Genuinely curious.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote (edited )

No, I'm talking about a fictional scenario in which an anarchist ideology manages to manifest its endgoal without violent force (which is entirely fucking impossible).

If I wanted to talk about the CNT, I'd have outright said 'CNT'.

How did you even come to that conclusion?

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lexarr wrote

Because the CNT was the only anarchy-syndicalist utopia I know of.

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ziq OP wrote

It wasn't much of a utopia tbh.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

No. I didn't.

To clarify, I'm mocking the idea that any political ideology that calls for massive social upheaval is going to have to realize its vision through violent force.

Anarcho-primitivism doesn't do that; it doesn't call for anything other than for interested adherents to abandon civilization in favor of living in the wild.

Social Anarchists; the most likely set of ideologies that the people that I'm mocking would adhere to does call for massive social upheaval; and the idea that they wouldn't need to use violent force to achieve their goals is laughable and delusional. The only reality where such a thing would happen would result in tepid reform; which was the point of the comment that you responded to earlier.

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suma wrote

Crimethinc / It'sgoingdown / Anarchistnews / sub.media / Unicornriot / Anarchists Worldwide / 325 / A-Infos / AMW English / ROAR Magazine / mastodon.social / littleblackcart / AKPress / theanarchistlibrary and raddle.me

You forgot Autonomy News.

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ziq OP wrote

I added them to the sidebar as well as Crimethinc, which was missing for some reason. Also added a section for anarchist book publishers. Had to delete a lot of stuff to make them fit tho. The 'practices' section keeps getting whittled down.

Is everyone okay with the 3 introductory texts in the sidebar for beginners? (Are You an Anarchist? / Anarchy Works / Anarchism: What It Really Stands for?) Are there better texts than these 3?

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subrosa wrote

I'm totally ok with having these 3 in the sidebar, they're fine, but I think there's more accessible and concise introductory reads. Particularly:

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ziq OP wrote

We're right at the character limit, so anything I add has to replace something else. What should they replace?

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subrosa wrote

I think we can replace Are You an Anarchist with To Change Everything. They're similar in that they're both modern introductions with a focus on every-day life.

TCE + Anarchy Works + Goldman; seems like a balanced mix of different approaches.

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ziq OP wrote (edited )

ok

edit: the urls were much shorter than anarchistlibrary urls so I miraculously managed to fit both. there are literally 0 characters left now tho.

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ancapistani wrote

And don't forget https://dailyanarchist.com/forum/ which is the number #1 anarchist forum on the internet according to google, bing and duckduckgo...

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suma wrote

No one cares about your anarcho-authoritarian site, nerd.

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ancapistani wrote

The united citizens of Ancapistan will crush your commie society.

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Majrelende wrote

That isn’t consent...

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ziq OP wrote

I guess it doesn't violate the NAP if the people they murder aren't fellow billionaires.

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Enough14 wrote

We, Enough 14, https://enoughisenough14.org/, were also banned from Suckebergs Fckbook. We spoke with some other Anarchist projects and have some rss feeds from other projects on our page. We already started to build up our Mastodon account months ago to get more independent from corporate social media. https://todon.nl/@enough14GNU But yes we need to expand our networks.

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le0 wrote

I think the Fediverse (mastodon only being a small part) could have something to add here. So your socials are on todon.nl but there is also image and video sharing like https://videos.squat.net/ and you can subscribe to follow over instances, even types of instance. I think video from peertube for example is now supported in Mastodon.

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diy_hacker wrote

If you work with one of the other anarchist platforms, I'd love to hear your suggestions for achieving better integration of the anarchist web.

Having a common api would help to exchange content (nevermind the actual platform that providet it first).

We are using that approach on our sites here (mostly german):

http://mphvik4btkr2qknt.onion/ http://zf2r4nfwx66apco4.onion/ https://geistige-gefaehrdungen.net/all

to exchange articles with each other and also to mirror de.indymedia.org, which is currently under dos attacks and surveillance from the german secret service.

the api is based on json files. it's not perfect, but does the job.

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ziq OP wrote

How could this be accomplished on a technical level? How would it be coordinated?

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diy_hacker wrote

The api is documented here: http://wmj5kiic7b6kjplpbvwadnht2nh2qnkbnqtcv3dyvpqtz7ssbssftxid.onion/diym_flask/diym_flask/-/wikis/API-specification-and-JSON-format There are two software suites at the moment that support it and are used to serve the sites I linked earlier.

We coordinate on this platform in an open working group: http://zkdppoahhqu5ihjqd4qqvyfd2bm4wejrhjosim67t6yopl77jitg2nad.onion/ If you create an account, I will invite you to the group.

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diy_hacker wrote (edited )

And just a few more comments to make this better understandable:

-right now, our content is 95% German, but I would love to exchange internationally as well (I have been a lurker here for some time now)

-the current project members exchange and coordinate with each other, but we still each act individually on our sites (so there are no fights about moderation or anything, each sites admin acts according to its own standard and ideas).

-so we are more like a federation of servers, and not one uniform group (of course we still share certain values, otherwise this would not work).

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gaffen wrote

This is sounding very promising; a federated content sharing protocol could be a way of laterally sharing material.

Due to the factious nature of anarchists, the uptake of such a pattern could be boosted by allowing people to blacklist sources that they don't want to affiliate with.

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ziq OP wrote

Just so no one confuses this for the anarchist version of a left-unity plea: it's not. A loose alliance between anarchist media so we don't get buried by the corporate internet isn't going to tread on anyone's autonomy.

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lexarr wrote

I'd love to hear your suggestions for achieving better integration of the anarchist web.

What about a taskbar of sorts at the top of every site that links to all the other sites?

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ziq OP wrote

Like a webring? I think those were abandoned because they looked ugly and didn't integrate well with each site's design. Probably better if each site used their own method of cross-promotion, depending on the design and the function of the site.

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gaffen wrote

Lol, I came to a similar conclusion.

I think the Idea of a webring is solid, but it doesn't go far enough. I think the true hidden project here is a new p2p discovery protocol to allow content to be curated by your affinity group, rather than by a central authority/algorithm. If you could then use this tech to produce a dynamically generated, themeable, webring-type solution I think it could be quite an interesting way of growing new networks.

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gaffen wrote

Is it time to start talking about web rings again?

Is there maybe a way you can federate web-rings? What about a protocol that allows you to pull in a list of related sites that is hosted peer-to-peer? You could include machinery like that which already exists on the fediverse to filter out that which you thoroughly don't wish to cross promote.

The problem is that cross-pollenation is healthy, and I think it's worth encouraging.

But, similar to music in the digital age, without curation it's kind of a crap shoot.

But we don't want to entrust curation to a third party like google or some other data behemoth.

So, like, an organic p2p discovery network?

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door wrote

In my opinion, we only need to remove government. And we don't need stronger platforms than we already have to accomplish that.

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door wrote

Well, Reddit removes anarchist platforms because we have governments teaching humanity that anarchy is bad, so naturally any forum who wants to survive would feel uncomfortable with letting its members having anarchist discussions.

But we still don't need more or better platforms than we have. Aren't the ones we already have (including facebook) perfectly fine to spread the word (subtly or more explicitly) that taxation is robbery?

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door wrote

I think capitalism is what will happen if governments are removed.

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ziq OP wrote

lol what

Capitalism doesn't already happen?

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door wrote

It does. In a way.

Would you like to remove governments?

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ziq OP wrote

I'd like to destroy the universe.

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door wrote

Would you like to have governments removed?

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ziq OP wrote

If that will help destroy the universe.

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door wrote

Yea, it probably won't. Although it will probably neutralize your desire to destroy it!

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door wrote

Do you agree that taxation is robbery?

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door wrote

Ok, but would you agree that taxation is collected by the threat of punishment?

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door wrote

So you're basically saying that the government functions the same way a mafia is?

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door wrote

And do you think this is very complicated for people to understand? I mean, do you think people can't understand that the government functions just like a mafia if they where simply asked the same questions I just asked you?

And do you think Facebook or any other major platform would ban anyone for asking if taxation is collected by the threat of punishment?

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door wrote

What are you referring to when you say "that's not what anarchism is"?

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door wrote (edited )

So do you think one will get banned from Reddit or Facebook for asking people there if taxes are collected by the threat of punishment? No? Then why do we need other platforms?

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