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polpotisevil2 wrote

I support anyone's right to own a firearm, I just don't think they protect us, the opposite actually. I'm gonna say whatever the fuck I want on this topic as well. And I don't like liberalism or capitalist economics. You ever consider that firearm ownership might be purchasing percieved safety?

That's fine and dandy I want people to say whatever the fuck they want. I have an issue with you characterizing firearms as an issue for everyone and painting them as a "perceived safety" for everyone. It's the kind of universal, not personal argument and highly ignorant shit that liberals use and it's frustrating. If you didn't mean it that way then cool. Maybe for you, in a low crime upper class city neighborhood who has never experienced an armed robbery (at home or in the streets or the even in woods), or verbal and physical assault, it might seem like a perceived safety. For the rest of us, it is not perceived at all. For us who live where people shoot up street signs for the fun of it and get kicks out of dangerously fucking with people in the middle of nowhere it is important to own a firearm. For those of us who have been stuck up before and kicked out of public areas by groups of people, we want to have that self defense if we need it. What is perceived for you is real for me Mr. Harvard Statistics.

Yes I support you in this. Most suicides are impulse though, so means matter. If you really want to die I will absolutely not stop you. That's not my call.

No. This matters.

Yes, it does matter. My apologies for not providing enough context or saying what I meant clearly. What I meant was that it is a personal decision and that they absolutely do not cause the suicides. If you are in the situation where you want to avoid the means, more power to you.

Look how easy it is for stuff to get heated though....

This is the internet. I'd advise spending more time off it if you think this is an accurate depiction of anybody's character. I let myself rant and vent on here because I enjoy it. I enjoy heated arguments with friends or even strangers but that does not mean that I lack self control or situational awareness. If I wanted to stay cool I absolutely could. When I want to get drunk and let myself vent on the internet and argue with strangers I absolutely could.

Running out of time here. I'll look at the link later and describe why I feel statistics are almost always misleading later.

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a_perfect_map OP wrote

Maybe for you, in a low crime upper class city neighborhood who has never experienced an armed robbery (at home or in the streets or the even in woods), or verbal and physical assault, it might seem like a perceived safety.

What is perceived for you is real for me Mr. Harvard Statistics.

Ehhh, really my friend? Let not lash out at each other any more. You just made a bunch of assumptions about me that put me in a box. That isn't really cool. I have been through verbal and physical violence, I've seen and had to do violence I still have trauma about. Enough to really make me consider if it has any utility at all, except in self defense.

we want to have that self defense if we need it.

I do too! If it means anything, I'm sorry for what you have lived through, this world is so fucked up.

If we make hierarchies of suffering then we will lost I think. I respect your experience and understand maybe? Everyone should have access to self defense. Statistics and science aren't the only picture, but part of it. Gun violence does seem to depend on culture in complex ways. You make assumpitons and resort to ad hominem, I won't reciprocate that. Yeah, we have differing views. But I'm not trying to disarm anyone, just prevent harm from my viewpoint. And yeah I realize I could be wrong!

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