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Bezotcovschina wrote
Was thinking about it lately, and think I agree with the author of this article. Of course, not all Trump/Brexit supporters are "punks", but significant part, probably, are. I belive, a lot of them did it on a single purpose to hurt the "establishment".
celebratedrecluse wrote (edited )
there are great radical reasons to oppose the European Union, and basically none of them were movers in the decision to close Britain's borders to immigrants, prepare for a hard border in occupied Ireland, and inflate prices of essential goods on the poor.
as far as Trump, I think a similar analytic may apply. There are great many reasons to oppose Clinton branded neoliberalism, and none of them were important to peoples' decision to cast votes for the other neoliberal and embolden anti-immigrant sentiment.
It was certainly, in both cases, a huge reason why so many people didn't vote or care in either of these cases. But to vote for such things, that is another matter entirely.
rot wrote
certain (right wing) libertarian types yeah but conservatives are not revolting against the status quo by voting trump, they're against obama and what they see as 'socialist' liberalism. any talk about being against the 'elites' or the state is just a fancy way of being against progressive liberals and the 'other'
ask a rightwinger who the elites are, it's not billionaires or nigel farage or whatever.
Ganggang wrote
Not “degrowth”. Destroy the economy
rot wrote
degrowth would include that no? degrowth includes leaving capitalism behind includes leaving labor-centric communism behind
Ganggang wrote
degrowth to me implies that it would still exist, just be smaller. I don’t want this, I want the economy to be gone. If the construct of property is removed it can’t exist
rot wrote
degrowth refers to production not he system. capitalism requires growth so being against economic growth is being against capitalism
Ganggang wrote
I mean I guess? But I see how this could be used to simply implement austerity. And If there’s “less” production there’s still production, which implies the selling of the production.
Like rallying around “degrowth” seems to me like rallying around “less war”. The point is no war. The point is no economy
rot wrote (edited )
not what I've read ¯\‿(ツ)‿/¯
rot wrote
I like it except for this bit
as if conservatives are in anyway punk. as if we want people like that in a degrowth movement