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Brick wrote

Of course the think the US empire is a "voluntary hierarchy".

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ziq OP wrote

It's the perfect example that anything and everything will end up being "justified" as "voluntary" if Chomsky's idea of anarchism is given oxygen.

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OdiousOutlaw wrote

I’m an anarcho-communist and have been such for about a month but have been a leftist for over a year.

And therein lies the problem.

Most anarchists would agree that even under anarch there would still be a military. It would be fundamentally different, but there would be a military.

This probably isn't wrong, most people identifying as anarchists seem to think that most of the world's current structures would function the same and that the main problems of the world are capitalism nation-states (they're both huge problems, but it hardly ends with them).

I don’t want to join to support the militaries often imperialist actions. I do know and accept the fact that once I do join I will have to follow the orders given to me wether I agree with them or not. I have already accepted that as an inherent con in this plan for my future self. I do want to join however to protect my family, community, and beyond from any potential threats.

There's no way that this post is genuine. But then again...

I’m an anarcho-communist and have been such for about a month but have been a leftist for over a year.

It just might be.

But beyond that I need to join the military for me. I need the structure and the discipline.

"I know imperialism is bad, but just think of how much better a person I would be with my military fatigues soaked in the blood of brown children."

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ziq OP wrote

"I know imperialism is bad, but just think of how much better a person I would be with my military fatigues soaked in the blood of brown children."

Can you think of a better way to get structure and discipline than murdering muslim children for your capitalist masters? I didn't think so.

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aNonPerson wrote

I could somehow understand that if the person's motive would be to cause military damage from inside or to infiltrate it. In fact, it would be good to have undercover comrades inside military forces, so that in case of an uprising, they could help.

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ycymroflin wrote

The bit about wanting to join the pararescuemen is interesting, at least, but in all honesty, I can think of only one reason why joining a western military might be "acceptable" as a necessary evil - it is the easiest way to get the training and combat experience that an armed revolution is going to require. Even then, I'd only consider it acceptable if going somewhere like Rojava weren't an option.

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ziq OP wrote

It's not acceptable to kill brown people to steal their oil just because you fantasize that you might get to fight the capitalists giving you your orders some day.

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thelegendarybirdmonster wrote

it can also get you out of poverty. I do not support the military, but it feels classist to judge people for whom the military is their only option to get out of poverty.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

No context can render any action above critique, everyone is accountable for their decisions

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ziq OP wrote

Since they're a college grad in the USA, there's no way this can be framed as classism.

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