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leftous wrote

Another problem is that much of the Left (as well as much of the feminist movement) go beyond support for basic human rights for transgender people and side with the anti-materialist trans ideology that eliminates the category of “woman” by claiming anyone can “self-identify” as a woman. We have to ask if the Left is cowering before the tantrums of those trans activists or whether obliterating women’s liberation is also the goal of the Left.

Isn't this pretty much the garbage TERF narrative?

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amongstclouds wrote

That's EXACTLY what this garbage is.

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leftous wrote

HEY welcome back :D

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amongstclouds wrote

Honestly no clue why when more shit like this get's posted as 'radical politics'.

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ziq wrote

Hateful bigots like that will always try to destroy something good like raddle. They live to furiously stamp out any light that peaks out from the cracks.

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amongstclouds wrote

I deal with these people in large swathes on facebook groups I'm a part of and it's gotten to the point where I've made the same arguments countless times and I have just recently seen how futile 'education' and 'dialogue' can be at times.

I don't see how having a few expletives directed at oneself can be so much more monumental than respecting the validity of people's own lived experience... and then hide it beneath the veneer of 'radical politics'.

Sometimes I feel like I should respond with more than just 'go fuck yourself,' but to be honest, these kinds of people show their true colors once they've been poked. :p

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ziq wrote

Their lives must be so empty; spending everyday of their lives trying to diminish other women on the internet. The same broken, hateful rhetoric. Again and again and again and again ad nauseam. Truly a sad and futile existence.

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amongstclouds wrote

One can support the rights of transgender people to live free of discrimination and violence and still object to the assertion that "women" is a feeling in a male's head.

Go. Fuck. Yourself.

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ziq admin wrote

The basis of women's oppression is biological

Hi. You're in violation of the terms of service for transphobia. I'm banning you now.

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amongstclouds wrote

You are complicit in the violence against people like me and don't try and pretend otherwise.

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DaisyDisaster wrote

Powerful or not, you are complicit in violence and that's unacceptable. Trans women are women, they aren't men with a "women feeling". They are women.

Likewise, despite belonging to your "reproductive class", I am not a woman and reject any feminism that says that trans women aren't women or that I am one by reducing us to our biology. Misogynists are the ones who do that shit.

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amongstclouds wrote

You're a sick fucked up person. You literally cannot see past your own nose when it comes to the violence you're perpetuating.

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hotcool wrote

Removed? Why has a post that is actually generating conversation on this site been removed?

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amongstclouds wrote

Questioning the validity of my existence and misgendering me isn't 'generating conversation'.

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ziq wrote

The bigot's trolling was removed, I left the resulting conversation up.

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hotcool wrote (edited )

I know you mean well ziq, but it seems like it's the wrong approach. If you won't allow the exchange of ideas and ideologies here, the site will stagnate.

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ziq wrote (edited )

They weren't so much 'ideas' as they were hateful rants about real women. Barf.

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amongstclouds wrote (edited )

Maybe we should start inviting fashies here to 'dicuss' ideas and 'Generate conversation'. /s

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