LanguageBot list of ableist words

Submitted by Fossidarity in Ability (edited )

Please discuss the ableist words that /u/LanguageBot should comment on here.

word alternative
bitch making a fuss, whining, nagging,
cripple frozen by, stopped by, completely stuck, totally halted all operations if using metaphors; physically disabled person, person with a mobility impairment, paralyzed person if referring to a disabled person,
daft dense, ignorant, lacks understanding, impulsive, risk-taker, uninformed, silly, foolish,
deranged dense, ignorant, lacks understanding, impulsive, risk-taker, uninformed, silly, foolish,
derp obviously, of course, uh yeah, ummm, ummm uhhh, um yeah, hell yeah, fuck yeah,
dumb dense, ignorant, lacks understanding, impulsive, risk-taker, uninformed, silly, foolish to replace metaphor; nonspeaking, nonverbal, person with a speech impairment, person with a cognitive disability, Deaf person, hard of hearing person to refer to a Deaf or disabled person,
harelip cleft lip, cleft palate, cleft lip and palate,
fatso person of size,
fag cigarette, weak, powerless, hesitant,
faggot weak, powerless, hesitant,
homo homosexual,
idiot uninformed, reckless, impulsive, ignorant, risk-taking, risky and dangerous, dipshit,
imbecile uninformed, reckless, impulsive, ignorant, risk-taking, risky and dangerous, dipshit,
insan wild, confusing, unpredictable, impulsive, reckless, fearless, lives on the edge, thrill-seeker, risk-taker, out of control,
lame boring, uninteresting, monotonous, lacks excitement, uncool, out of fashion if using metaphors; physically disabled person, person with a mobility impairment, paralyzed person if referring to a disabled person, bad, gross, the pits,
loony wild, confusing, unpredictable, impulsive, reckless, fearless, lives on the edge, thrill-seeker, risk-taker, out of control,
lunatic wild, confusing, unpredictable, impulsive, reckless, fearless, lives on the edge, thrill-seeker, risk-taker, out of control, scary,
maniac wild, confusing, unpredictable, impulsive, reckless, fearless, lives on the edge, thrill-seeker, risk-taker, out of control, extremely energetic,
moron uninformed, reckless, impulsive, ignorant, risk-taking, risky and dangerous, dipshit,
pussy weak, powerless, hesitant,
retard uninformed, reckless, impulsive, ignorant, risk-taking, risky and dangerous, dipshit,
spaz klutzy, clumsy, forgetful, impulsive, reckless,
stupid uninformed, reckless, impulsive, ignorant, risk-taking, risky and dangerous, dipshit,
tranny I don't deserve to live

EDITS:

  • 2019-01-02: Removed 'mad'.
  • 2019-01-04: Removed 'blind', 'bonkers', 'crazy', 'cuckoo', 'deaf', 'deform', 'handicap', 'hermaphrodite', 'obese', 'psycho', 'nuts', 'wacko'. Added: 'fatso', 'bitch', 'homo', 'fag', 'faggot', 'homo', 'pussy', 'tranny'.
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ziq wrote (edited )

I'd remove:

blind (never seen it used to insult blind people. It's not ableist to acknowledge that blindness exists.)

bonkers (never seen it used as an insult)

crazy (A lot of people identify as 'crazy' and I wouldn't want them to get told off by the bot for talking about it)

cuckoo (effectively bans people from mentioning cuckoo birds & cuckoo clocks which is ridic. No one uses it as an insult any more)

deaf (I don't want a deaf person told off for saying that they're deaf. It's also never used as an insult in writing - so the bot is just banning talking about deafness. It's only used in a negative manner when people say "Are you deaf??" when there's a miscommunication. But this is a written forum, so in writing, they'd say "Can't you read??")

deform (this has so many uses that aren't at all offensive (deformed bridge, deformed tree, the deform function in Gimp) and it's very rare that it's used to mock a physical deformity (and what if someone wanted to talk about their physical deformity?)

handicap (has uses in sports / betting / etc)

obese (It's a very common medical term and people aren't going to stop using it any time soon)

nuts (culinary use - people being told off for talking about eating nuts will just make them hate the bot),

wacko (most common usage: "a person who is wacky / fun / carefree / zany" It can be used in an ableist manner but that's rare. If it has common non-offensive uses then the bot shouldn't be triggered by it. Context matters.)

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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I think that using 'blind' or 'deaf' to refer to thing other than actual blindness or deafness is ableist, especially when there's a negative element involved.

One example I'd give here is that I think it's ableist to use the term "colour blind racism".

I think that the bot would have to be able to read for context to manage those words adequately though.

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Fossidarity OP wrote

The bot won't be able to read context, that's almost impossible.

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LanguageBot wrote

I've noticed you used the ableist word "deaf" in your comment, please refrain from doing so.
Consider instead: willfully ignorant, deliberately ignoring, turning their back on, had every reason to know, feigned ignorance

Discussion about the words here.
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throwaway wrote

LanguageBot should probably be disabled until it's ready to include all offenses in one response, and doesn't repeat the same messages twice. Just look at this mess.

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Fossidarity OP wrote

Well I'm really well versed on this topic so that's why I'd like to discuss these things here. I can see how these words can be connected to disability but they integrated in such a way that this connection is not the association.

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ziq wrote (edited )

lame originally meant the same as 'cripple' but it hasn't meant that for a long, long time so I'm inclined to think it shouldn't be included. 'Gimp' also meant the same thing.

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ziq wrote (edited )

I almost added daft to my exclusions but the only people that use it are british and fuck the british anyway.

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alex wrote

maybe add "midget?"

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Fossidarity OP wrote

What would be alternative terms?

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alex wrote

little person is the most common term. dwarf is also ok since it refers to the medical “dwarfism”

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conseil wrote

I've gotta say I think this one should still be added - 'little person' and maybe 'dwarf'?

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Fossidarity OP wrote

I'm not sure about this, because the words will be matched independent of context so it might result in false-positives.

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conseil wrote

I meant that it should respond to 'midget' with those.

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bloodrose wrote

I'd remove obese and add fat. Fat is the slur, obese is the medical term. That is, if the bot ever comes back.

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ziq wrote

You say 'fat' a lot to refer to yourself, is that behavior you'd like to change?

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bloodrose wrote

Good point. I, as an obese/fat person, have found the word totally acceptable and find that when people say "oh you're not fat" to me that what they are really saying is "I dislike fatness but I like you." Withdrawn to add fat. Still stand by removing obese.

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ziq wrote

yeah I've seen you make that argument before so I was confused.

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F_x wrote (edited )

Suggestion of words to add:

  • bitch(y): making a fuss, whining, nagging...
  • pussy: weak, powerless, hesitant...
  • tranny: no idea, as a slur i don't think it needs a replacement, the kind of word that deserve an insta-ban so might not need to be on the list?
  • faggot: weak, powerless, hesitant...
  • fag: cigarette, weak...
  • gay: not the word itself but it's use a lot as an insult for anything (boring, crappy, awful etc.)
  • homo: homosexual (I feel like when people write "homo" it's mostly as an insult so just suggesting to use the full word should be fine).
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Tequila_Wolf wrote

I think that pussy is fine to refer to pussies. i.e. the genetalia. Like if I talk about my pussy. The problem is when it's used to talk about things that are't pussies, and associating pussies with weakness etc.

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F_x wrote

I agree with you and that's the problem with bots, not understanding context.

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TheLegendaryBirdMonster wrote

disagree with all the words but for bitch and pussy. no user has ever used them without being called out.

language bot is for stuff with which we may all need to work on so a "call-in". These words don't need to be on it since they're "call-out" words.

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F_x wrote

I was more thinking that people that use it will get annoyed by the bot spamming them so it could be good for that but you are right, I agree about removing them, except bitch and pussy as you agreed.

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n_n wrote

The word homophobia still alerts the bot.

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sudo wrote

The bot called "bitch" an ableist word; it should probably say 'sexist' instead.

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Fossidarity OP wrote

Yeah the bot doesn't make a distinction at the moment but I'll add it to the todo list, thanks!

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MHC wrote

It would be nice if people accepted one another for what we can do, rather than what we can't!

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drfuzzyballs1996 wrote

Seems like a list of words that are in regular non-insulting usage and shouldn't be censored. Except for harelip which I've never seen or heard before, go ahead and censor it like anyone would notice.

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Fossidarity OP wrote

So you can't see how "fag", "retard", "tranny", etc. are insulting?

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drfuzzyballs1996 wrote

No, I can see it I'm saying it's not necessarily insulting considering the context.

Up until recently I didn't know tranny was considered insulting, it's the context and intent that makes this or that a slur. If you're British fags still refer to cigarettes, and I will still say that my little brother is retarded so long as that is a medical term. Really not a fan of euphemisms here.

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Aspiringfinessegod145 wrote

Okay this is just retarded. “Stupid” isn’t a slur. None of these words are slurs. These are what you call accessorized words. It means that the word has been used so much in a context and way that deviates from its original meaning and use to the point where it basically just means the other thing and any rational person would take it to mean its common use as opposed to its original one. Fossidarity, please get a grip on modern language.

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