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Articuno wrote

They are all bad because they defend each other's crimes, they drive away (or kill) any cop that reports or try reform things from the inside, those with more morality quit outright. In the end, only bad rotten wormed apples remain.

Cops have control over your life, they can safe you, choke you out of your life, or shoot you in your home while you sleep. See this sub for example, heck /u/mofongo posted an article about the history of police brutality in the US. You don't even need to read books dedicated to it, just follow the news, every week a news will surface of police brutality; those are the ones that surface.

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masque wrote

The job of being a police officer fundamentally consists of enforcing the will of the state through the threat of violence (even if actual violence is only used occasionally), and in particular a large part of policing is devoted to protecting the property rights that many people here consider to be unjustified.

My personal understanding of ACAB is that cops aren't necessarily all "bad people" on a personal level, but they've all made (and continue to make) choices that perpetuate societal harm through the threat of violence, whether they realize it or not.

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masque wrote (edited )

There are plenty of other things which are also bad, but a lot of them are ultimately enforced by the police (e.g. rich capitalists do lots of harmful things, but they're only able to do so because the police continue to enforce the property rights that empower them. You may disapprove of aspects of the education system, but mandatory attendance is ultimately enforced by the police. And so on.).

Everything is intertwined and effective change requires upheaval on multiple fronts simultaneously. But police are particularly emblematic of state violence, and the focus on them in particular doesn't necessarily detract from identifying other problems as well.

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Majrelende wrote

they're only able to do so because the police continue to enforce the property rights that empower them

From my observations at least, people are more and more treating The State religiously as an idol for the god Humanity, and any word or action against it is sacrilege. This makes sacrilege ever more important.

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ziq wrote

While I mostly agree, I just can't bring myself to fully believe that The Third Reich was all bad. I feel there were a lot of good apples and unless you show me a source or proof that all nazis were bad, and not just one specific Adolf, I'm going to continue to see the benefits of the nazis. Btw I'm a centrist.

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polpotisevil2 wrote

Is it alright to ask when you've been saved by police?

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asg101 wrote

Yes. ALL of them are bad. The moment they swear to uphold and protect a racist, immoral and unjust system, to enforce laws that are designed to imprison people of color disproportionately, and decide to turn a blind eye to crimes by their fellow officers and the systemic crimes of the plutocracy, they become bad people by default. #FTP... every last one of them. #ACAB

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ziq wrote

I'm not sure how a history teacher is worse than an institution that specifically exists to murder and imprison minorities and protect capitalists from insurrection? I guess the history teachers you know shoot black children dead for playing in the street?

Maybe you're just a white supremacist and haven't realized it yet.

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ziq wrote

You don't see a problem with an authority that murders black people on a daily basis and puts millions more in cages for decades for drugs. It's not an assumption, it's a simple observation.

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ziq wrote

Replace the police with what? Something tells me you're going to say something that in a round-a-bout way translates to "with nicer police". It's just coercive doublespeak like Nancy Pelosi saying capitalism would be great if CEOs had 40 times more wealth than workers instead of 300 times more. Putting controls on a minority murder force doesn't stop it from being a minority murder force. You can't reform authority. Abolish the police.

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ziq wrote

Of course you're not as radical as an anarchist, centrists aren't radical at all. You're the status quo.

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celebratedrecluse wrote

I will admit that I've read little literature about why the police are harmful.

I mean, they are quite literally the enforcers of state power in the domestic sphere. if you are an anarchist, you don't like enforcers of state power. It's pretty straightforward.

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