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Shame_Pity wrote

I wonder where they went

Probably back to reddit

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ziq wrote

It's like a meth addiction.

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LovelyGorgon wrote

I did go back to reddit, and it definitely is an addiction. I'm glad I still check raddle occasionally. I ended up unsubscribing from most of the subs I subscribed to, to try and limit my social media diet. So far so good, I haven't been tempted to browse r/popular since. Like an addiction, I do genuinely feel compelled to browse, I'm just glad I've resisted the temptation to spend the first half hour of every day endlessly scrolling.

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ziq wrote (edited )

It's a shame how many people immediately went back when the gates were reopened. There were so many new people here swearing they'd never go back and saying they feel at home on raddle. Almost none of them posted here again when the subreddit reopened. I fully expected it because it's a pattern that's been repeating here for 6 years, but it's still sad.

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Shame_Pity wrote

Honestly I dunno how one could go back to reddit, I was still hanging around a little while I was still undecided about this place but after a bit I just couldn't stand reddit, not even the 196 reddits.

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Radriendil wrote

There's some stuff that's just not available elsewhere, like game devs' official subreddits, and some niche stuff that we just don't have the userbase pull to form a community of, like r/consentacles.

That said, I still don't participate in my old subs. If I could somehow see the content without making Reddit's server activity numbers go up, I would.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

Reddit is generally a much friendlier place for my mental health >.>.

The anarchist sub generally has a content warning tag system making it easier to filter, and just less violent and hateful rhetoric in general which makes it far safer for me.

Bluesky has even better trigger filters.

You always tell me to sort by sub, but that is not a competent content warning system. Currently bluesky is the only place I feel safer on, followed by the sub.

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Crown_of_Ice wrote (edited )

I heard Bluesky is like Twitter, but much more queer friendly. But is it fun? Like has lots of anime and video game and art content? I'm kind of debating on trying to go there and steal a code that occasionally gets posted here, but I don't want to be taking up space and taking from someone who could use the code more than me. Especially if I end up getting bored on Bluesky. Twitter is horrible, but if you curate content and people constantly and am a drama cat then it's a constant flow of content. If Bluesky is like that, but minus the hate then that would be perfect.

And yeah, I probably would be better off if I just took time off from social media in general, but I don't know what the fuck I would do otherwise. I mean could dive into my hobbies, but there's like a void without pinballing back and forth from my hobbies and social media. Like I could be drawing for five minutes, check Twitter for a minute, draw some more, check Twitter, check Raddle, play Disgaea 7. That feels normal. Just sitting still and doing one thing makes my brain neurotic and feel like there isn't enough that I'm thinking about. So it creates things to think about and that's very bad.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

Because of it's invite-only right now, and the very strict anti-hate moderation, because the fact that bluesky is algorithemless, so if someone is blocked on-mass, they will be cut off from the network - bluesky's starting culture is distinctly and specifically antifascist, queer, and furry.

And as demonstrated studying hate's development on platforms - Early platform culture is what creates the long-term culture of a site.

This is taken advantage of by the users to make it the most hate-hostile platform to date.

They allow you to create very custom peer-to-peer feeds that people can follow, like psudo-subreddits. I've actually had to filter my feed quite a bit cause I'm a very serious fella, and the platform has a lot of queer 196-type content.

So yeah, If anything, we need as many anarchists on there as possible to try to shift the culture as far left as possible in it's current malleable state, before the culture hardens. Not that it isn't currently leftist, however it would be really nice to see the explicitly anarchist community grow on there.

If you want an invite just shoot me a DM ^^.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote (edited )

This is taken advantage of by the users to make it the most hate-hostile platform to date.

That picture is dishonest. Bluesky is not decentralised.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

It is decentralized both social-algorithmically and technically on a technical level.

I think your thinking of distributed.

https://medium.com/nakamo-to/whats-the-difference-between-decentralized-and-distributed-1b8de5e7f5a4

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

It is neither. There is just one entity holding control over bluesky and that is the company that made it.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

hmm? I mean yes in this beginning state with one big server.

Complete profile migration is a core part of the AT protocol, as well as more advanced algorithms and stuff. I've been on mastodon for many years, and have been tracking the AT protocol for a while. I prefer it generally for a list of reasons, though I see why you may prefer the fediverse protocol.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote (edited )

I mean yes in this beginning state with one big server.

Well, yeah, you can't say it is decentralised when it literally is not, just because they plan to eventually add federation. Even then it won't be "decentralised like mastodon", because the AT protocol works very different. The image is just literally false.

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postleftpuppy wrote

It currently runs on fedarated software. The AT protocol has been in development since like 2018? It addresses the problems of lack of advanced feed features by adding 2 extra layers to the network. Each layer is federated.

It’s not that they eventually plan to federate, they simply haven’t enabled federation on their server yet.

Comparing activitypub to AT is like comparing xmpp to matrix. They are both federated, xmpp is simpler, lighter, and more hackable - but matrix has more features.

https://blueskyweb.xyz/blog/5-5-2023-federation-architecture

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

When federation is not enabled it is not federated. It's not that difficult.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

I’ve been following AT development since 2019, the entire premise of Bluesky is the AT protocol. You can already run the AT protocol servers, and it has a decent sized community of people all prepping servers and participating in the sandbox test run for when they go out of beta and a flood of users are going to be coming.

Leaving global view up to larger hub servers means individual servers can actually be lighter-weight and thus it’s easier and cheaper to federate.

More than that, it’s saving energy because instead of communicating every post to hundreds of servers, a few large federated hubs track thousands of servers. Exponentially reducing network traffic.

This spreads the cost as well, so instead of every server having to be well-funded. A few tracking hubs can be better funded, and any random service hoster could pay very little to run.

I understand disliking Bluesky because of the people that make it, but like, the federation is the entire point. It has a lot of technical improvements over activity pub imo.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35881905

Either way my borderline is getting bad. Sorry if I was defensive during this. Imma go cry, sorry.

Later.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

I could've been clearer in my arguing. I don't doubt that it will be federated, what I'm saying is that right now (and for the last however many months this thing has been running already) you're not getting any of the benefits of federation, because it's not enabled yet. Additionally, I think giving the main instance a head start will lead to a degree of centralisation at that main instance, similar to mastodon.social, but even worse.

Also, from what I've heard it's not going to be like the fediverse, where every instance is kind of its own thing mostly - it's going to be one platform, that is distributed among different servers. But I could be completely wrong on that, I couldn't really find where I got that from.

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postleftpuppy wrote (edited )

That is a fair argument, and a fair understanding. However server centralization is far less of an issue than with mastodon, because one of the core parts about the protocol is trivial migration.

The beta was originally supposed to be small. This was originally an experimental small federation experiment.

As soon as the beta ends I’m immediately migrating to either self-host or something like that.

And yes, goal of the at protocol is to have a “global view” of the entire network. Which has pros and cons. There is no local-first, however this allows you to have very small servers that don’t feel isolated at all.

The tension point will be the global data tracking servers. To be actually federated we will need a few more than the Bluesky default one, but that will be very expensive to run.

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ColonelThirtyTwo wrote

IMO the point that the protocol is being spearheaded by a corporation is worthy of criticism. As the central service to atproto, they hold a huge amount of power over what direction the protocol takes - and eventually there's going to be conflicts between business interests and interests of the users.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

Bluesky is made by the previous CEO of twitter. It is for people who forgot that twitter was already shit before Musk bought it. It's the same freeze-peach tech bro garbage. I think going to bluesky to escape hate is a futile effort.

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Crown_of_Ice wrote

Okay. I'll just stay put at status quo then.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

Have you tried something on the fediverse? Like a friendly mastodon/plemora/firefish/etc instance?

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Crown_of_Ice wrote

I use misskey, mastodon, and firefish. I'm honestly just curious about Bluesky and if its fun. Could be something I add to my rotation of mental demise.

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Detroit_yeet wrote

But if it's going to be federated, doesn't it not matter what the current main instance does?

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

No, it does matter. Unlike the fediverse, it will still be one social media, just distributed among different servers.

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Detroit_yeet wrote

But aren't those servers under the control of different people and have different rules?

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Detroit_yeet wrote

It was the same with Mastodon. It looked like we had something, like we would finally have an active and vibrant place that wasn't subject to the whims of some billionaire. Now most people have gone back to Twitter or hopped on BlueSky. It's sad.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

The fediverse active userbase is growing idk what you're on about.

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borlax wrote (edited )

It really is a shame, I was one of like 3 people in my friend group that deleted our Reddit accounts and decided to move on from it. Everyone else kinda bailed for the week and then was right back to mindlessly posting links to mediocre Reddit threads/memes.

Outside of niche tech topics I’m troubleshooting, I refuse to use Reddit for entertainment anymore. It’s at the point where Reddit links that get sent to my group chat remain un-clicked and I need to either look for context clues in the subsequent conversation, or I just check out until a new topic starts that isn’t based around a Reddit post. It’s a matter of principle to me now, I don’t want to contribute to reddits add revenue or provide the website with more of my free content generation.

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snoo wrote

There's also lemmy.blahaj.zone, but afaict there's only 136 subs.

The real question is: where did all the doms go?

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actuallyaseal wrote

What instance are you looking at the sub count from? Lemmy can be weird/buggy with what it counts. I think it will only show you the amount of subscribers on your local instance when looking at communities on different instances.

From what I see 196 on lemmy.blaha.zonej has ~13k subscribers but a good chunk of those will be inactive accounts that probably went back to Reddit. The more accurate, but harder to compare, number is 214 active users a day.

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ziq wrote

raddle actually got more than 100,000 unique visitors this month, according to cloudflare. 17 million total requests in that same period

the vast majority of people are lurkers tho

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actuallyaseal wrote

I kind of guessed the 1% rule applied here. The lurkers always vastly out number active participants.

Do you know how cloudflare counts unique visitors? I know I end up with multiple unique IPs over a month. That seems the simplest way to count users but will be a little inflated. Maybe a session cookie of some kind?

Also sorry ,10 million of those requests are me being bored and constantly hitting refresh.

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ziq wrote

Total unique visitors to Cloudflare is every unique IP address that makes a request to their DNS or CDN. As soon as that unique IP address makes the request, Cloudflare counts it as a visit.

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OnlyCirceOus wrote

Well that’s going to throw things off for a sight where a significant number of people use VPNs. Of course I could be overestimating how many people here bother. 🤔

💜💕💜

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actuallyaseal wrote

I think it'll be phones that throw it off the most. If I had to guess every regular user is going to have 2-4 unique IP addresses a month. Their home IP, a traveling mobile IP and an IP associated with a place they visit regularly enough to be on the wifi. They just need to check Raddle once a month from a different IP to inflate the number.

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ziq wrote

raddle isn't very vpn friendly, we block entire vpns

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OnlyCirceOus wrote

obvious and genuine surprise

That actually makes a lot of sense if I had thought about it from the right direction. I guess I’ve just been lucky lately then. 🤷‍♀️😆

💜💕💜

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ziq wrote

we have the .onion so people don't need to use vpns (which are incredibly insecure)

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snoo wrote

Ahh, maybe it's only ~136 subscribers from the instance I searched it up on.

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Xenosplitter wrote

I should post more often so people don't think I left

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MartianTiger wrote (edited )

It’s sad but not surprising in the least. There’s several key differences between Raddle and Reddit. The people who came from r/196 were mostly liberals. Raddle on the other hand is an anarchist space. The average age demographic of r/196 is mid/late teens to early twenties based on the various polls. While afaik Raddle tends to skew older. Finally, Reddit is a metropolis, while Raddle is a small town. A lot of people gave up on trying to make thinks work here and went back to Reddit. Some kept their word and went elsewhere to places like Tumblr or Mastodon.

Personally, I’m glad stayed. It was definitely an adjustment but I like the Raddle community better overall.

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QertZ_PL wrote

I'm glad I forgot about Reddit when 196 shut down.

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itsalways1312somewhere wrote

Yeah, I recently went back at some old posts, all of the comments filled with "I will never go back to reddit. I love it here so much!" by accounts last seen 5 months ago 💀

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Shame_Pity wrote (edited )

I was gonna make a comment on this yesterday but forgot lmao, anyway.

I think a lot of those comments were made due to people being under the impression the 196 sub just wouldn't re-open, lotta people were just like ''Welp, guess that is the end of 196 on reddit'. However, when the reddit re-opened, a lot of people who's main motive for moving was 196, jumped back on the reddit ship as it has the larger community.

Or at the very least, that is what I think.

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MartianTiger wrote

A lot of the people who were loudly proclaiming how much they loved raddle left. But sometimes they come back for like a day.

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Zb0 wrote

I don't use Reddit anymore...a shame that the site that gave us amazing freespaces was destroyed by its moronically greedy creator ugh

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ROBUXYYYYYYYYYY OP wrote

Also it definitely feels like the 196 tumblr users have definitely become less active

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