ie, if you had to choose between "libertarian unity" with capitalists or "left unity" with tankies, which would it be?
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Pop wrote
There's no such thing as a libertarian capitalist
they're fooling theirselves with their minarchism
I pick anti-authority over any of this shit, because it subsumes them all
starting with goddamn civilisation, through states, through capitalism
Xesau wrote
It's absolutely possible to have libertarian socialism when there's also libertarian non-socialists around, but it's absolutely impossible to have liberatarian socialist when there's also tankie socialists around.
ziq wrote
Tankies are more dangerous so I'm going with lolbertarians. Authoritarians can't be reasoned with. Lolbertarians I can handle.
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ziq wrote
it's not hard to talk them into it. but talking a tankie into not being an authoritarian is usually a waste of time because they'd make a shitty anarchist anyway; always making power plays and trying to take control of projects.
rot wrote
are you sure? some libertarians are proto-fash who can't wait to throw us out of helicopters
ziq wrote (edited )
Fash call themselves all kinds of things to hide in plain sight. I'm talking about actual minarchists.
rot wrote
Yeah but they love capitalism and see any level of socialism as evil and will side with the state to get rid of us.
I looked into minarchy/ libertarianism before Anarchy. They're all ancaps and teapartiers who dream of a gated mansion with guards to keep out the poor and undesirables.
ziq wrote (edited )
the choice is between two sets of snakes so we're literally being asked to make a strategic decision for survival and I think my chances of making it out alive are stronger with minarchists than tankies.
rot wrote
I think it would be about the same. They have the same tenancy to support certain power structures and party politics; just different kinds.
fairilu wrote
Socialism is liberty. We aren't truly free unless we're free from those who would control the things we need to live full and meaningful lives; that's the promise socialism makes.
martasultan wrote
Simple; the capitalists can be killed off in the end more easily than the tankies can, so long as they're libertarians and not fash in a mask.
arduinna wrote
I'd sooner work with propertarians than tankies for sure. Tankies are more of a threat in the long-term.
RosaReborn wrote
I don't think the two are really separable. How can you empower and free a community without empowering the individual? How can an individual be free without equality and support in the community?
I wouldn't choose either but since I have to I think I would actually go authoritarian left because many people in that group want the same goals and have similar analysis of the world but just haven't delved deep enough into the core of their own philosophy to appreciate that contradiction of a state power structure ever working to dissolve itself. I used to believe that a state could enable communism, now I feel firmly that that is a contradiction but the change in my views just required a deeper look at what I really wanted, a true revolution that abolishes the pyramid of power and not just rearrange the seats, even if those in the AL can't see that.
'libertarian' right is just too insufferable to me but I'm sure many allies have come from that group just like some allies used to be tankies.