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RedEmmaSpeaks wrote
To an extent you should speak out, it should be more or less to proclaim to marginalized people that you have their backs.
There's no point in debating someone who isn't the least bit interested in a debate. Just GTFO as soon as possible. Maybe you would be the stone that shatters their protective ignorance dome, but it is very unlikely. Focus your efforts on stopping the SOBs instead.
transhumancom wrote
fascists don't argue in good faith. don't waste your time.
PerfectSociety wrote
It's doubtful that you could ever get through to them by debating their political views. What often determines people's political values is their experiences and feelings about themselves. Reactionaries are often insecure about their own self-worth and they project the disappointment and worthlessness that they feel about themselves onto the nature of humanity and the world around them. The only way to really get through to them is to try to mend that fundamental feeling of worthlessness and disappointment. As you can imagine, that's a much harder task to accomplish than defeating them in a debate by citing facts, figures, and logic.
Zzzxxxyyy wrote
People on the left have these same problems
PerfectSociety wrote
Not in the same way and not nearly to the same extent.
BigG wrote
Sure, if you're trying to lure him to a quiet spot so you can bash his head in.
armadilloPancake wrote
If you are going to argue to try and move them to anarachism, then don't bother, otherwise try to find common ground to find the point where they figure out "hey they're not so bad."
lead the horse to water, make it thirsty.
Zzzxxxyyy wrote
Fascists are fully aware of their opposition’s viewpoints. Mostly it’s useless to engage anyone who’s reasonably convinced one way or the other.
Xylanthius wrote
It depends on what your intention is.
It also depends on how you go about it. If your intention is to "get through to them" psychologically your chances are only likely if you present them with an idea that is very similar and only slightly different than their own. It will help your chances to get through to them tremendously if others around them also subscribe to the idea that you are trying to sell.
If you are trying to convince them of an idea that is radically different than the ones they believe in already then there probably is not a good idea unless you are trying to make an example for others who might witness the conversation who have ideas and theories and thoughts that are similar to yours.
People can only change so much at a time especially when they already identify strongly with something.
Pop wrote (edited )
There's a whole forum about this; it has four posts so far...
ziq wrote
four posts so far
that isn't very encouraging for this approach
armadilloPancake wrote
If you are going to argue to try and move them to anarachism, then don't bother, otherwise try to find common ground to find the point where they figure out "hey they're not so bad."
lead the horse to water, make it thirsty.
closed wrote
You're asking this question on a site that bends over backwards to avoid dialog with outsiders and advocates violence against fascists.
NeoliberalismKills wrote
I've been increasingly convinced debate is absolutely worthless. People's minds are changed by participating in new communities or witnessing direct action (not mutually exclusive). Debate is worthless with a fash. Flame them so marginalized people in the same spaces know you've got their back and move on.