Submitted by edmund_the_destroyer in traaaaaaannnnnnnnnns (edited )
(Edit: To be clear, I make this point or ask this question out of curiosity. I'm not trying to assert or establish any standards or ethical positions. It's just something I've never explored before, and I'd like to know a bit more.)
What I'm about to write may be wrong, it may be pointless, it may be both. It's just an idle though I've had.
I've read a few articles in a few different places making the case that viewing breasts as sexually alluring is a construct of modern society and not intrinsic to the human race. For example, Men Aren't Hard Wired to Find Breasts Attractive
I think accepting GLBTQ+ in general means rejecting conventional views on sex, gender, and sexuality and that would include moving away from a focus on breasts in sexual terms. But my very limited understanding of trans people is that most people transitioning to female consider the presence of breasts important and most people transitioning to male consider their absence important.
I'm not criticizing that. I just find it fascinating that the presence of breasts seems to be important to the female identity in the trans community even as - ideally - we as a society should move away from making a fetish of them. I guess it means the presence of breasts are important to women regardless of sex and sexual attraction? I'm a cis+het guy, I have trouble separating "breasts are feminine" and "breasts are sexy". I guess I've got to work on that.
wild_liger wrote
I'm gonna let you in on a dangerous little secret that I think most cis people (and even a lot of people who consider themselves trans or simply question their gender identity) don't realize, and that's that most of the popular narrative about transgender identity is total fucking hogwash, either made up by and for a cis-normative, gatekeeping medical establishment, or else cobbled together by trans people in an effort to try to explain some very complex, visceral feelings in terms that people who have never felt them might possibly be able to understand.
When was the last time you saw a trans person excited to transition because they felt like they were doing some universal good by correcting the "error" of "being born in the wrong body"? And while some of us may feel that way and it's a perfectly valid feeling, it's not the desire to balance out the universal gender scorecard that drives us to transition. I want tits because I want tits, and I don't give a shit if you think science says I shouldn't.
Transition is not about conforming to and reinforcing some natural model of binary gender; that's the same bullshit thinking that drives doctors to mutilate intersex babies, and the same sticking point that TERFs get utterly wrong. It's a process of personal desire and fulfillment, whatever that may entail.