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Green_Mountain_Makhno wrote

Illegalist Revolutionary Cells

Communalization - take over area and build up what you want

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Pop wrote

Do you not read any of the articles on this website

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GrimWillow wrote

Fucking decolonize Turtle Island. The best chance is to have solidarity with indigenous sovereignty. That's how you fix "America"

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RosaReborn wrote

Make it more like Copenhagen u/Copenhagen_Bram. No but actually this time. The idea of Freetown Christiana is really nice even if now it is corrupted by tourism and weed payments using credit cards. America has lots of land and lots of vacant ruins of past production. Squatting or starting some community outside of the standard US society is possible however not easy

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thr0waway0o0o0O0 wrote

Make it more like Copenhagen

As someone from that place it's not as nice as you all make it seem.

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ziq wrote

did you see the simpsons episode this week about it being the best place on earth? lol

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RosaReborn wrote

I have been. It was nice but it was more expensive for me to visit than I expect. The currency exchange and price of regular goods was hard to bare. Didn't really realize until I was home how much I had spent just shopping at grocery stores

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ziq wrote

More guns?

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sudo wrote

Join a communist party, and educate, agitate, and organize.

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ziq wrote

Join a communist party

They'd affect more change joining a stamp collector club. Or a Mr T fan club.

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sudo wrote

Ah, yes, they should obviously follow your example: denounce capitalism, but denounce those who try to get rid of capitalism even harder.

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ziq wrote

I think you mean to say 'try to put themselves at the top of the (state) capitalist hierarchy'.

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Solisition wrote

Not all of the parties are MLM or Trots- only most. Some places have legitimately Cool parties. Not many, but still!

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sudo wrote

Today's not opposite day, you know.

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ziq wrote (edited )

Just because I can never tell if you understand the point I'm making - Lenin admitted the USSR was state capitalism. Because it was state capitalism in every conceivable aspect. Joining a 'communist' (Leninist) party is akin to joining a state capitalist party. Leninism always results in state capitalism, and then eventually private capitalism again (after a few famines, mass-incarcerations, executions of workers and imperialist invasions of the surrounding lands). It's an infinite loop of greed, corruption and failure, and I suspect, just another attempt for the elite to subvert and pervert the prole struggle.

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sudo wrote

Lenin admitted the USSR was state capitalism.

No. He was referring to the NEP, which was a temporary retreat to state capitalism, to help the Russian economy recover from the civil war. Lenin never trusted the capitalists, and fully intended for the NEP to give way to socialism, and eventually communism. This article talks about it in detail.

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ziq wrote

if it was temporary, why did it never end, and in fact get more capitalistic each year? The outcome is the same.

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sudo wrote

It did end; Stalin got rid of it after Lenin's death, and replaced it with the first five-year plan.

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Solisition wrote

Actually, they started to detransition towards the end of Lenin's life. The 11th Congress was the start of this, IIRC?

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ziq wrote (edited )

If it was still state capitalism in practice, but given a new name by the new leader, it didn't end. That's just rebranding.

In January 1992, the Central Committee of the Communist Party of New Zealand came to the conclusion that the “capitalist counter-revolution” in Russia had begun in the Stalin era, not with Khrushchev in the 1950s as the CPNZ had previously asserted.

The Stalinist “bureaucrats” dominated the state apparatus and “coalesced into a new ruling class expropriating the fruits of the labour of workers and peasants”, the Central Committee declared.

These words are taken from the inner party circular of January 1992 announcing the Central Committee’s conclusions. Over the next year and a half, the CPNZ’s members and friends made a detailed study of events in Russia during the Stalin era.

The CPNZ’s 25th National Conference in September 1993 passed a resolution condemning Stalinism as the “gravedigger of the Bolshevik Revolution” and the “builder of state capitalism” in the Soviet Union. And conference adopted the declaration on Stalinism which you are now reading.

The Stalinist bureaucracy built state capitalism in Russia on the ruins of working class state power. Because this counter-revolution was carried out in the name of “socialism”, however, it had such a devastating impact on the international working class that the effects are felt to this day.

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DokiDokiLove wrote

Encourage empathy and socialism, but re-brand it as American values.

It's all about the optics.

Keep it local, grow it organically. Get involved in local politics, don't bother to change the system (you won't) instead change the outcomes it delivers.

Never use the word socialism, and if anyone calls you out for being socialist, call them un-American andor unchristian

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Solisition wrote

Never use the word socialism, and if anyone calls you out for being socialist, call them un-American andor unchristian

gross sentence

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mofongo wrote

DEEP BREATH REFORMIIIISSSSMMMMMM GOOOOO AWAAAAAAYYYYYYY

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DokiDokiLove wrote

Or live in a fantasy land, shout at pigeons and have the total outcome of your life, in terms of the change you have made to be zero.

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mofongo wrote

Oh no! My life is meaningless in the grand scale of things! My name won't go down in history like Napoleon, Stalin or Mao! The horror!

Go bark at another tree.

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

While I’m not pro-reformism, on the timescales we have left on Earth, reforming might be the optimal path to minimal suffering. At a minimum it may slow the overtake of fascism until the world goes full on Mad Max in 50-70 years.

A full out revolution will cause immense suffering, instability and death for decades and a high risk of corrupt power structures taking the place of currently corrupt power structures. If we don’t have a reasonable planet to live on, what’s the point, why take that risk?

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mofongo wrote

We're on the brisk of ecological collapse, the capitalist have a hard on for the oil in the poles and new shorter trade routes. Only a full scale revolution can prevent that, but it'll likely not start until it already has. Humans have no time for reform.

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DokiDokiLove wrote

Better to tame the devil you know than release the devil you don't aye

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Zzzxxxyyy wrote

Not sure I agree. But it seems a lot of radicals enjoy the privilege of their ideal reality being impossible, so they often gloss over the immense suffering they would cause as if it will all be worth it in the end on top of naively ignoring that the wealthy and powerful always find a way to use chaos to secure even more power.

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mofongo wrote

I don't think it's impossible, it ends up being a simpler life than the current one. You won't find anyone here romanticizing the revolution, it's would be a world war, and we all old enough to know what that entails.

But that's necessary for capitalism to be abolished and man kind liberated from the shackles of capital.

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