Submitted by hamjamm in Anarchism (edited )

Jason McQuiin and Wolfi Landstreicher, even Bob Black are POST-CIV anarchist, meaning they are against civilization, but do not believe in the reversal of technology, rather, going sideways and imagining what other possibilities exist.

The earth is dying, and civilization is responsible. Civilization created and expanded upon problems we as a species faced such as misogyny and value as a construct.

Primitivism advocates for a reversal of SPECIFIC technologies, and the destruction of civilization through insurrection.

People don't realize that we ALL die. We will die from our diseases no matter what.

If a global anarchist uprising were to happen, whether anarcho-syndicalist or whatever, MANY people will die. We will die from starvation, disease, famine, malnutrition, whatever. It is useless to hide from this reality. Primitivism embraces it and accepts it.

Canes and medicines will still exist in a primitivist world, just in a different form. Herbs and natural medicines, and wood DO help. Not to embrace false medicine like homeopathy and placeboo, but to actually be in tune with nature. These diseases and disabilities are often natural, why not connect them with nature?

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theblackcat wrote

If a global anarchist uprising were to happen, whether anarcho-syndicalist or whatever, MANY people will die. We will die from starvation, disease, famine, malnutrition, whatever. It is useless to hide from this reality.

Aren't people already starving under capitalism? So isn't that a moot point?

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hamjamm OP wrote

Yes, so why the panic over anti-civ thought? It's completely illogical.

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Defasher wrote (edited )

Don't pretend like you're doing something to save the world. Industry is killing everything, all you do is promote more industry. You're doing the direct opposite of helping.

I'm actually a green anarchist - I reject things that hurt the world. My footprint is miniscule. I've dropped out of society and this phone is my last tether to that world. You don't, you just play lip service to a vague idea of sustainability like "noooo we'll totally make our augments more sustainable than all the piles of tech we buy now after the revolution".

I'm not a primitivist like F7, just anticiv, but you can't be pro-industrialism while calling yourself a green anarchist.

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Cheeks wrote (edited )

When it happens it will be a mish mash grab bag of what works for people in differing given geographical areas. This absolutist "I have the answer" mentality that we get from radical sub-sects of social theory has always been silly to me. @ without adjectives is obviously my stance though.

[EDIT: To Include] The experimentation is whats necessary and important, some it will work and some of it will be utter failure.

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Cheeks wrote

Well of course, Im not implicitly stating otherwise. I just see Post-Civ as a piece of the puzzle.

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